Tester für Zigbee Adapter 2.0.x gesucht

[Asgothian]

@schranzer sagte in Tester für Zigbee Adapter 2.0.x gesucht:

flow control Hacken aktiv (bin mir nicht sicher was es macht)

In deinem Fall: Nichts. Dieser Haken ist nur bei USB Kommunikation notwendig.

A.

[martinschm]

Hi,
ich hab die Tage auf Zigbee 2 upgedatet.
Heute kam erst die Meldung das einige Geräte offline sind, komischerweise alles Geräte mit 230V

Und jetzt bekam ich im Adapter erst eine Fehlermeldung als ich das pairing aktivieren wollte und dann das der Adapter ständig abstürzt.

Im Log steht das hier

zigbee.0
2025-04-14 18:52:47.993	info	terminating

zigbee.0
2025-04-14 18:52:47.953	error	Failed to open the network: TypeError: Cannot read properties of undefined (reading 'permitJoin') at Controller.permitJoin (/opt/iobroker/node_modules/zigbee-herdsman/dist/controller/controller.js:259:35) at ZigbeeController.permitJoin (/opt/iobroker/node_modules/iobroker.zigbee/lib/zigbeecontroller.js:659:33) at ZigbeeController.stop (/opt/iobroker/node_modules/iobroker.zigbee/lib/zigbeecontroller.js:634:24) at process.processTicksAndRejections (node:internal/process/task_queues:95:5) at async Zigbee.onUnload (/opt/iobroker/node_modules/iobroker.zigbee/main.js:1037:17)

zigbee.0
2025-04-14 18:52:47.383	warn	Terminated (UNCAUGHT_EXCEPTION): Without reason

zigbee.0
2025-04-14 18:52:47.381	info	terminating

zigbee.0
2025-04-14 18:52:47.380	info	Saved local configuration data

zigbee.0
2025-04-14 18:52:47.378	info	local config saved

zigbee.0
2025-04-14 18:52:47.376	info	cleaned everything up...

zigbee.0
2025-04-14 18:52:47.373	error	undefined

zigbee.0
2025-04-14 18:52:47.372	error	unhandled promise rejection: undefined

zigbee.0
2025-04-14 18:52:47.372	error	Unhandled promise rejection. This error originated either by throwing inside of an async function without a catch block, or by rejecting a promise which was not handled with .catch().

zigbee.0
2025-04-14 18:52:47.369	error	Starting zigbee-herdsman problem : Failed to connect to the adapter (Error: SRSP - SYS - ping after 6000ms)

zigbee.0
2025-04-14 18:52:47.321	info	Unable to obtain herdsman settings

zigbee.0
2025-04-14 18:52:20.699	info	Starting Zigbee-Herdsman

zigbee.0
2025-04-14 18:52:20.696	info	Installed Version: iobroker.zigbee@2.0.5 (Converters 23.6.0 Herdsman 3.5.1)

zigbee.0
2025-04-14 18:52:20.642	info	Starting Adapter npm ...

zigbee.0
2025-04-14 18:52:20.640	info	--- creating device debug ---

zigbee.0
2025-04-14 18:52:20.635	info	delete old Backup files. keep only last 10

zigbee.0
2025-04-14 18:52:20.616	info	--> transmitPower : normal

zigbee.0
2025-04-14 18:52:20.604	info	init localConfig

zigbee.0
2025-04-14 18:52:20.565	info	starting. Version 2.0.5 in /opt/iobroker/node_modules/iobroker.zigbee, node: v20.18.1, js-controller: 7.0.6

host.smarthome
2025-04-14 18:52:15.676	info	instance system.adapter.zigbee.0 in version "2.0.5" started with pid 2760598

device-watcher.0
2025-04-14 18:52:04.279	info	Instanz-Wachdog:zigbee.0: Instanz deaktiviert

host.smarthome
2025-04-14 18:51:44.252	info	Restart adapter system.adapter.zigbee.0 because enabled

host.smarthome
2025-04-14 18:51:44.251	error	instance system.adapter.zigbee.0 terminated with code 6 (UNCAUGHT_EXCEPTION)

zigbee.0
2025-04-14 18:51:43.649	error	unhandled promise rejection: DB closed at close (/opt/iobroker/node_modules/ioredis/built/redis/event_handler.js:184:25) at Socket.<anonymous> (/opt/iobroker/node_modules/ioredis/built/redis/event_handler.js:151:20) at Object.onceWrapper (node:events:633:26) at Socket.emit (node:events:518:28) at TCP.<anonymous> (node:net:343:12)

zigbee.0
2025-04-14 18:51:43.649	error	Unhandled promise rejection. This error originated either by throwing inside of an async function without a catch block, or by rejecting a promise which was not handled with .catch().

zigbee.0
2025-04-14 18:51:43.649	error	Error: DB closed

zigbee.0
2025-04-14 18:51:43.649	error	DB closed

Bei mir läuft
js-controller 7.0.6
zigbee 2.0.5
Node.js: v20.18.1(20.19.0)
NPM: 10.8.2

[Asgothian]

@martinschm sagte in Tester für Zigbee Adapter 2.0.x gesucht:

Starting zigbee-herdsman problem : Failed to connect to the adapter (Error: SRSP - SYS - ping after 6000ms)

Du darfst davon ausgehen das der Adapter insgesamt nicht sauber gestartet wurde. Das sieht man oft erst wenn man versucht aktiv mit dem Adapter zu interagieren.

Die weiter oben gepostet Meldung zeigt das der Adapter keine Verbindung zur Firmware auf dem Koordinator herstellen kann. Ich würde als erstes folgendes Empfehlen:

• Adapter anhalten - um sicher zu gehen das er nicht läuft
• Koordinator stromlos machen. Bei USB Koordinatoren: Abziehen 30 Sekunden warten. Anstecken. Bei Netzwerk Koordinatoren: Stromversorgung kappen, 60 Sekunden warten, Stromversorgung wieder herstellen
• Adapter starten
• im Log schauen ob der Adapter erfolgreich gestartet wird.

A.
Nachtrag: Da du anscheinend DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD als deine PanID hast kann es auch sein das der Adapter nicht startet weil die konfigurierte von der vom ZH benutzten Pan ID abweicht - ob das der Fall ist hängt davon ab von welcher Version du das Update gemacht hast.

[martinschm]

@asgothian

Hi,

Koordinator stromlos machen hat erstmal geholfen. Die normalen Geräte scheinen sich wieder zu verbinden nur die 230V Geräte machen wohl noch Probleme.

zigbee.0
2025-04-15 13:05:07.531	info	Timeout trying to configure 0x04cf8cdf3c7db935 WXCJKG13LM (starting CoM).

zigbee.0
2025-04-15 13:04:42.140	info	Timeout trying to configure 0x00158d0004fcf82a HS1SA (starting CoM).

zigbee.0
2025-04-15 13:04:42.125	info	Handled all devices Queued for configuration.

zigbee.0
2025-04-15 13:04:37.618	info	Failed to ping 0x385cfbfffe89e560 ZBMINIL2

zigbee.0
2025-04-15 13:04:37.125	info	Configuring 0x04cf8cdf3c7db935 WXCJKG13LM

zigbee.0
2025-04-15 13:04:37.125	info	DeviceConfigureQueue configuring 0x04cf8cdf3c7db935 lumi.remote.b686opcn01

zigbee.0
2025-04-15 13:04:32.333	info	Failed to ping 0x04cd15fffe02d085 TS0121

zigbee.0
2025-04-15 13:04:32.244	info	Failed to ping 0x04cd15fffe02dd9b TS0121

zigbee.0
2025-04-15 13:04:32.125	info	Configuring 0x00158d0004fcf82a HS1SA

zigbee.0
2025-04-15 13:04:32.124	info	DeviceConfigureQueue configuring 0x00158d0004fcf82a SmokeSensor-N-3.0

zigbee.0
2025-04-15 13:04:31.954	info	Failed to ping 0x04cd15fffe067cd7 TS0121

zigbee.0
2025-04-15 13:04:30.962	info	Failed to ping 0x842e14fffe35a210 TS0121

zigbee.0
2025-04-15 13:04:30.256	info	Failed to ping 0x588e81fffedbcfe2 TS0121

zigbee.0
2025-04-15 13:04:29.853	info	Failed to ping 0x842e14fffe1262bf TS0121

zigbee.0
2025-04-15 13:04:29.527	info	Failed to ping 0x04cd15fffe02d9f3 TS0121

zigbee.0
2025-04-15 13:04:28.810	info	Failed to ping 0x385cfbfffe8eb302 ZBMINIL2

zigbee.0
2025-04-15 13:04:28.549	info	Failed to ping 0x14b457fffe2ea155 TRADFRI bulb E27 WW 806lm

zigbee.0
2025-04-15 13:04:27.391	info	debug devices set to []

zigbee.0
2025-04-15 13:04:27.128	info	DeviceConfigure 0x04cf8cdf3c7db935 WXCJKG13LM needed - Device added to Configuration Queue

zigbee.0
2025-04-15 13:04:27.122	info	DeviceConfigure 0x00158d0004fcf82a HS1SA needed - Device added to Configuration Queue

zigbee.0
2025-04-15 13:04:27.027	info	Zigbee started

zigbee.0
2025-04-15 13:04:27.023	info	Currently 70 devices are joined:
zigbee.0
2025-04-15 13:04:26.531	info	0x00158d0004b487d4 (addr 62422): HS1SA - HEIMAN Smoke detector (EndDevice)

zigbee.0
2025-04-15 13:04:26.498	info	0x00158d00033ad77d (addr 20078): RTCGQ11LM - Aqara Motion sensor (EndDevice)

zigbee.0
2025-04-15 13:04:26.348	info	Unable to disable LED, unsupported function.

zigbee.0
2025-04-15 13:04:26.345	info	Zigbee-Herdsman started successfully with Coordinator firmware version: {"type":"zStack3x0","meta":{"transportrev":2,"product":1,"majorrel":2,"minorrel":7,"maintrel":1,"revision":20200805}}

zigbee.0
2025-04-15 13:04:22.855	info	Starting Zigbee-Herdsman

zigbee.0
2025-04-15 13:04:22.853	info	Installed Version: iobroker.zigbee@2.0.5 (Converters 23.6.0 Herdsman 3.5.1)

zigbee.0
2025-04-15 13:04:22.771	info	Starting Adapter npm ...

zigbee.0
2025-04-15 13:04:22.768	info	--- creating device debug ---

zigbee.0
2025-04-15 13:04:22.761	info	delete old Backup files. keep only last 10

zigbee.0
2025-04-15 13:04:22.741	info	--> transmitPower : normal

zigbee.0
2025-04-15 13:04:22.728	info	init localConfig

zigbee.0
2025-04-15 13:04:22.691	info	starting. Version 2.0.5 in /opt/iobroker/node_modules/iobroker.zigbee, node: v20.18.1, js-controller: 7.0.6

Bezüglich der PanID, da weiß ich nicht ob ich da mal was geändert habe.
Ich hab von @1.10.14 to @2.0.5 aktualisiert

[Rene 5]

@kbh10

Ich habe leider auch ein Problem mit der Version.
Alle meine Geräte waren nicht mehr erreichbar, dann habe ich den Adapter gelöscht und wollte ihn neu installieren.
Jetzt bekomme ich noch nicht mal mehr den Adapter zum laufen.

Meine Daten
Node.js: v20.19.0
NPM: 10.8.2

Ich hoffe ihr könnt mir helfen.

edit
bekomme den Adapter einfach nicht zum laufen
Bin nach deiner Anleitung vorgegangen

Viele Grüße

[Asgothian]

@rene-5 bitte genau dem folgen was ich oben im thread geschrieben hab,

A.

[FI_84]

• Adaptername: zigbee
• Adapterversion: 2.0.5
• js-controller Version: 7.0.6
• Admin Version: ...
• Hardwaresystem: Pi4
• Arbeitsspeicher: 4GB
• Festplattenart: SSD
• Betriebssystem: Pi OS Lite
• Nodejs-Version: 20.19.0
• NPM-Version: 10.8.2

Moin.

ich wollte endlich mal mein System aktualisieren. Hatte immer noch Buster im Einsatz auf einer SD Karte und wollte auch auf eine SSD wechseln.

Also Bookworm auf die SSD geflash, Iob instaliert und alles per Backitup wiederhergestellt....

Funktioniert auch alles bis auf den Zigbee adapter.
Bereits auch wieder gelöscht und manuell installiert. Keine Funktion

zigbee.0 2025-04-15 16:20:29.000	info	terminating
zigbee.0 2025-04-15 16:20:28.986	error	Failed to open the network: TypeError: Cannot read properties of undefined (reading 'permitJoin') at Controller.permitJoin (/opt/iobroker/node_modules/zigbee-herdsman/src/controller/controller.ts:315:35) at ZigbeeController.permitJoin (/opt/iobroker/node_modules/iobroker.zigbee/lib/zigbeecontroller.js:659:33) at ZigbeeController.stop (/opt/iobroker/node_modules/iobroker.zigbee/lib/zigbeecontroller.js:634:24) at processTicksAndRejections (node:internal/process/task_queues:95:5) at Zigbee.onUnload (/opt/iobroker/node_modules/iobroker.zigbee/main.js:1037:17)
zigbee.0 2025-04-15 16:20:28.730	warn	Terminated (UNCAUGHT_EXCEPTION): Without reason
zigbee.0 2025-04-15 16:20:28.728	info	terminating
zigbee.0 2025-04-15 16:20:28.726	info	Saved local configuration data
zigbee.0 2025-04-15 16:20:28.725	info	local config saved
zigbee.0 2025-04-15 16:20:28.723	info	cleaned everything up...
zigbee.0 2025-04-15 16:20:28.653	error	undefined
zigbee.0 2025-04-15 16:20:28.652	error	unhandled promise rejection: undefined
zigbee.0 2025-04-15 16:20:28.651	error	Unhandled promise rejection. This error originated either by throwing inside of an async function without a catch block, or by rejecting a promise which was not handled with .catch().
zigbee.0 2025-04-15 16:20:28.648	error	Starting zigbee-herdsman problem : Error: Operation not supported, cannot set
zigbee.0 2025-04-15 16:20:28.602	info	Unable to obtain herdsman settings
zigbee.0 2025-04-15 16:20:26.770	info	Starting Zigbee-Herdsman
zigbee.0 2025-04-15 16:20:26.768	info	Installed Version: iobroker.zigbee@2.0.5 (Converters 23.6.0 Herdsman 3.5.1)
zigbee.0 2025-04-15 16:20:26.692	info	Starting Adapter npm ...
zigbee.0 2025-04-15 16:20:26.690	info	--- creating device debug ---
zigbee.0 2025-04-15 16:20:26.686	info	delete old Backup files. keep only last 10
zigbee.0 2025-04-15 16:20:26.668	info	--> transmitPower : normal
zigbee.0 2025-04-15 16:20:26.656	info	init localConfig
zigbee.0 2025-04-15 16:20:26.617	info	starting. Version 2.0.5 in /opt/iobroker/node_modules/iobroker.zigbee, node: v20.19.0, js-controller: 7.0.6

Als Stick hab ich den 12/2020 von @arteck gekaufte "CC2538+CC2592 PA Zigbee Stick/Platine" im Einsatz. Auch nie neu geflash lief immer ohne Probleme.

Danke für Eure Hilfe

Mfg
Fi

[Asgothian]

@fi_84 Die wichtigste Information im Log hast du zensiert oder vergessen zu kopieren. Da steht

zigbee.0 2025-04-15 16:20:28.648	error	Starting zigbee-herdsman problem : Error: Operation not supported, cannot set

Nebenbei - ist es wirklich zuviel verlangt das Ihr die Logs so editiert das sie auch vernünftig lesbar sind ? Beispiel wie du open gepostet hast:

zigbee.0
2025-04-15 16:20:28.648	error	Starting zigbee-herdsman problem : Error: Operation not supported, cannot set
 
zigbee.0
2025-04-15 16:20:28.602	info	Unable to obtain herdsman settings
 
zigbee.0
2025-04-15 16:20:26.770	info	Starting Zigbee-Herdsman

und Beispiel nach trivialem Edit

zigbee.0 2025-04-15 16:20:28.648	error	Starting zigbee-herdsman problem : Error: Operation not supported, cannot set 
zigbee.0 2025-04-15 16:20:28.602	info	Unable to obtain herdsman settings
zigbee.0 2025-04-15 16:20:26.770	info	Starting Zigbee-Herdsman

A.

[FI_84]

sorry hab es editiert.

aber ich habe nichts zensiert oder vergessen zu kopieren mehr steht da nicht drin

[Thomas Braun]

@asgothian sagte in Tester für Zigbee Adapter 2.0.x gesucht:

Nebenbei - ist es wirklich zuviel verlangt das Ihr die Logs so editiert das sie auch vernünftig lesbar sind ?

Oder direkt aus der Kommandozeile nehmen, dann stimmt auch direkt die chronologische Abfolge.

iob logs [INSTANZ]

sollte kein Hexenwerk sein. Da wird auch nichts gekürzt, weil es zu lang wäre.

[Homoran]

@asgothian sagte in Tester für Zigbee Adapter 2.0.x gesucht:

Da steht

Sieht tatsächlich abgeschnitten aus, sollte aber nicht der Fall sein.
andere Zeilen sind viel länger.

@fi_84
jetzt würde mich wirklich interessieren was da steht oder eben nicht
Entweder im admin das log herunterladen und duese Zeile dirt herauskopieren, oder so wie

@thomas-braun sagte in Tester für Zigbee Adapter 2.0.x gesucht:

@asgothian sagte in Tester für Zigbee Adapter 2.0.x gesucht:

Nebenbei - ist es wirklich zuviel verlangt das Ihr die Logs so editiert das sie auch vernünftig lesbar sind ?

Oder direkt aus der Kommandozeile nehmen, dann stimmt auch direkt die chronologische Abfolge.

iob logs [INSTANZ]

sollte kein Hexenwerk sein. Da wird auch nichts gekürzt, weil es zu lang wäre.

[Duffy]

Hüstel, hallo zusammen,

Ich habe im Adapter 2.0.5 folgenden Hinweis gelesen, kann aber auch nach einer Übersetzung nichts damit anfangen.

Was will mir als Laie der Text sagen? Was ist switch to converter 21 .................

Birnen habe ich keine bei denen ich an rgb rumfummel.

Entschuldigt wenn das mal wieder eine dumme Frage sein sollte habe nur massive Sorgen das bei mir vielleicht nach dem Update nicht mehr läuft; dann bin ich geliefert

Viele Grüße Duffy

Edit: könnte ich nach der Installation von 2.0.5 auch wieder auf die 1.xx Version zurück oder ist das dann rum?

[Asgothian]

@duffy sagte in Tester für Zigbee Adapter 2.0.x gesucht:

Was will mir als Laie der Text sagen? Was ist switch to converter 21 .................

Es geht um den folgenden Umstand (leider nur auf englisch)
https://github.com/Koenkk/zigbee2mqtt/discussions/24198

Letztendlich ändern sich dadurch einige Datenpunkte (Erklärung dazu im 1. Post dieses Threads)

Der Weg zurück ist nicht versperrt. Du musst allerdings dann wieder einen 'state cleanup' durchführen.

A.

[FI_84]

@homoran

Hier noch mal direkt aus der Console
iob logs zigbee

iob logs zigbee
2025-04-15 16:20:29.605  - warn: zigbee.0 (3853) Could not perform strict object check of state zigbee.0.00158d0003a4b637.link_quality: DB closed
2025-04-15 16:20:29.606  - warn: zigbee.0 (3853) get state error: Connection is closed.
2025-04-15 16:20:29.606  - warn: zigbee.0 (3853) Could not perform strict object check of state zigbee.0.00158d0003a4b637.link_quality: DB closed
2025-04-15 16:20:29.607  - warn: zigbee.0 (3853) get state error: Connection is closed.
2025-04-15 16:20:29.607  - warn: zigbee.0 (3853) Could not perform strict object check of state zigbee.0.00158d0003a34c86.available: DB closed
2025-04-15 16:20:29.607  - warn: zigbee.0 (3853) get state error: Connection is closed.
2025-04-15 16:20:29.608  - warn: zigbee.0 (3853) Could not perform strict object check of state zigbee.0.00158d0003a34c86.available: DB closed
2025-04-15 16:20:29.608  - warn: zigbee.0 (3853) get state error: Connection is closed.
2025-04-15 16:20:29.608  - warn: zigbee.0 (3853) Could not perform strict object check of state zigbee.0.00158d0003a34c86.link_quality: DB closed
2025-04-15 16:20:29.609  - warn: zigbee.0 (3853) get state error: Connection is closed.
2025-04-15 16:20:29.609  - warn: zigbee.0 (3853) Could not perform strict object check of state zigbee.0.00158d0003a34c86.link_quality: DB closed
2025-04-15 16:20:29.609  - warn: zigbee.0 (3853) get state error: Connection is closed.
2025-04-15 16:20:29.610  - warn: zigbee.0 (3853) Could not perform strict object check of state zigbee.0.00158d0003a4ae97.available: DB closed
2025-04-15 16:20:29.610  - warn: zigbee.0 (3853) get state error: Connection is closed.
2025-04-15 16:20:29.611  - warn: zigbee.0 (3853) Could not perform strict object check of state zigbee.0.00158d0003a4ae97.available: DB closed
2025-04-15 16:20:29.611  - warn: zigbee.0 (3853) get state error: Connection is closed.
2025-04-15 16:20:29.611  - warn: zigbee.0 (3853) Could not perform strict object check of state zigbee.0.00158d0003a4ae97.link_quality: DB closed
2025-04-15 16:20:29.612  - warn: zigbee.0 (3853) get state error: Connection is closed.
2025-04-15 16:20:29.612  - warn: zigbee.0 (3853) Could not perform strict object check of state zigbee.0.00158d0003a4ae97.link_quality: DB closed
2025-04-15 16:20:29.613  - warn: zigbee.0 (3853) get state error: Connection is closed.
2025-04-15 16:20:29.613  - warn: zigbee.0 (3853) Could not perform strict object check of state zigbee.0.00158d0004abe35b.available: DB closed
2025-04-15 16:20:29.613  - warn: zigbee.0 (3853) get state error: Connection is closed.
2025-04-15 16:20:29.614  - warn: zigbee.0 (3853) Could not perform strict object check of state zigbee.0.00158d0004abe35b.available: DB closed
2025-04-15 16:20:29.614  - warn: zigbee.0 (3853) get state error: Connection is closed.
2025-04-15 16:20:29.614  - warn: zigbee.0 (3853) Could not perform strict object check of state zigbee.0.00158d0004abe35b.link_quality: DB closed
2025-04-15 16:20:29.615  - warn: zigbee.0 (3853) get state error: Connection is closed.
2025-04-15 16:20:29.615  - warn: zigbee.0 (3853) Could not perform strict object check of state zigbee.0.00158d0004abe35b.link_quality: DB closed
2025-04-15 16:20:29.616  - warn: zigbee.0 (3853) get state error: Connection is closed.
2025-04-15 16:20:29.616  - warn: zigbee.0 (3853) Could not perform strict object check of state zigbee.0.5c0272fffe81deaa.available: DB closed
2025-04-15 16:20:29.616  - warn: zigbee.0 (3853) get state error: Connection is closed.
2025-04-15 16:20:29.617  - warn: zigbee.0 (3853) Could not perform strict object check of state zigbee.0.5c0272fffe81deaa.available: DB closed
2025-04-15 16:20:29.617  - warn: zigbee.0 (3853) get state error: Connection is closed.
2025-04-15 16:20:29.618  - warn: zigbee.0 (3853) Could not perform strict object check of state zigbee.0.5c0272fffe81deaa.link_quality: DB closed
2025-04-15 16:20:29.618  - warn: zigbee.0 (3853) get state error: Connection is closed.
2025-04-15 16:20:29.618  - warn: zigbee.0 (3853) Could not perform strict object check of state zigbee.0.5c0272fffe81deaa.link_quality: DB closed
2025-04-15 16:20:29.619  - warn: zigbee.0 (3853) get state error: Connection is closed.
2025-04-15 16:20:29.619  - warn: zigbee.0 (3853) Could not perform strict object check of state zigbee.0.5c0272fffe7a364d.available: DB closed
2025-04-15 16:20:29.619  - warn: zigbee.0 (3853) get state error: Connection is closed.
2025-04-15 16:20:29.620  - warn: zigbee.0 (3853) Could not perform strict object check of state zigbee.0.5c0272fffe7a364d.available: DB closed
2025-04-15 16:20:29.620  - warn: zigbee.0 (3853) get state error: Connection is closed.
2025-04-15 16:20:29.620  - warn: zigbee.0 (3853) Could not perform strict object check of state zigbee.0.5c0272fffe7a364d.link_quality: DB closed
2025-04-15 16:20:29.621  - warn: zigbee.0 (3853) get state error: Connection is closed.
2025-04-15 16:20:29.621  - warn: zigbee.0 (3853) Could not perform strict object check of state zigbee.0.5c0272fffe7a364d.link_quality: DB closed
2025-04-15 16:20:29.622  - warn: zigbee.0 (3853) get state error: Connection is closed.
2025-04-15 16:20:29.622  - warn: zigbee.0 (3853) Could not perform strict object check of state zigbee.0.5c0272fffe6b4e2c.available: DB closed
2025-04-15 16:20:29.623  - warn: zigbee.0 (3853) get state error: Connection is closed.
2025-04-15 16:20:29.623  - warn: zigbee.0 (3853) Could not perform strict object check of state zigbee.0.5c0272fffe6b4e2c.available: DB closed
2025-04-15 16:20:29.624  - warn: zigbee.0 (3853) get state error: Connection is closed.
2025-04-15 16:20:29.624  - warn: zigbee.0 (3853) Could not perform strict object check of state zigbee.0.5c0272fffe6b4e2c.link_quality: DB closed
2025-04-15 16:20:29.625  - warn: zigbee.0 (3853) get state error: Connection is closed.
2025-04-15 16:20:29.625  - warn: zigbee.0 (3853) Could not perform strict object check of state zigbee.0.5c0272fffe6b4e2c.link_quality: DB closed
2025-04-15 16:20:29.626  - warn: zigbee.0 (3853) get state error: Connection is closed.
2025-04-15 16:20:29.626  - warn: zigbee.0 (3853) Could not perform strict object check of state zigbee.0.00158d00044a926f.available: DB closed
2025-04-15 16:20:29.627  - warn: zigbee.0 (3853) get state error: Connection is closed.
2025-04-15 16:20:29.627  - warn: zigbee.0 (3853) Could not perform strict object check of state zigbee.0.00158d00044a926f.available: DB closed
2025-04-15 16:20:29.628  - warn: zigbee.0 (3853) get state error: Connection is closed.
2025-04-15 16:20:29.628  - warn: zigbee.0 (3853) Could not perform strict object check of state zigbee.0.00158d00044a926f.link_quality: DB closed
2025-04-15 16:20:29.629  - warn: zigbee.0 (3853) get state error: Connection is closed.
2025-04-15 16:20:29.629  - warn: zigbee.0 (3853) Could not perform strict object check of state zigbee.0.00158d00044a926f.link_quality: DB closed
2025-04-15 16:20:29.629  - warn: zigbee.0 (3853) get state error: Connection is closed.
2025-04-15 16:20:29.630  - warn: zigbee.0 (3853) Could not perform strict object check of state zigbee.0.00158d0004abe29a.available: DB closed
2025-04-15 16:20:29.630  - warn: zigbee.0 (3853) get state error: Connection is closed.
2025-04-15 16:20:29.630  - warn: zigbee.0 (3853) Could not perform strict object check of state zigbee.0.00158d0004abe29a.available: DB closed
2025-04-15 16:20:29.631  - warn: zigbee.0 (3853) get state error: Connection is closed.
2025-04-15 16:20:29.631  - warn: zigbee.0 (3853) Could not perform strict object check of state zigbee.0.00158d0004abe29a.link_quality: DB closed
2025-04-15 16:20:29.631  - warn: zigbee.0 (3853) get state error: Connection is closed.
2025-04-15 16:20:29.632  - warn: zigbee.0 (3853) Could not perform strict object check of state zigbee.0.00158d0004abe29a.link_quality: DB closed
2025-04-15 16:20:29.632  - warn: zigbee.0 (3853) get state error: Connection is closed.
2025-04-15 16:20:29.644  - warn: zigbee.0 (3853) Could not perform strict object check of state zigbee.0.00158d00035390ec.available: DB closed
2025-04-15 16:20:29.645  - warn: zigbee.0 (3853) get state error: Connection is closed.
2025-04-15 16:20:29.645  - warn: zigbee.0 (3853) Could not perform strict object check of state zigbee.0.00158d00035390ec.available: DB closed
2025-04-15 16:20:29.646  - warn: zigbee.0 (3853) get state error: Connection is closed.
2025-04-15 16:20:29.646  - warn: zigbee.0 (3853) Could not perform strict object check of state zigbee.0.00158d00035390ec.link_quality: DB closed
2025-04-15 16:20:29.647  - warn: zigbee.0 (3853) get state error: Connection is closed.
2025-04-15 16:20:29.647  - warn: zigbee.0 (3853) Could not perform strict object check of state zigbee.0.00158d00035390ec.link_quality: DB closed
2025-04-15 16:20:29.647  - warn: zigbee.0 (3853) get state error: Connection is closed.
2025-04-15 16:20:29.648  - warn: zigbee.0 (3853) Could not perform strict object check of state zigbee.0.00158d000679273c.available: DB closed
2025-04-15 16:20:29.648  - warn: zigbee.0 (3853) get state error: Connection is closed.
2025-04-15 16:20:29.649  - warn: zigbee.0 (3853) Could not perform strict object check of state zigbee.0.00158d000679273c.available: DB closed
2025-04-15 16:20:29.649  - warn: zigbee.0 (3853) get state error: Connection is closed.
2025-04-15 16:20:29.649  - warn: zigbee.0 (3853) Could not perform strict object check of state zigbee.0.00158d000679273c.link_quality: DB closed
2025-04-15 16:20:29.650  - warn: zigbee.0 (3853) get state error: Connection is closed.
2025-04-15 20:48:19.060  - info: zigbee.0 (2000) starting. Version 2.0.5 in /opt/iobroker/node_modules/iobroker.zigbee, node: v20.19.0, js-controller: 7.0.6
2025-04-15 20:48:19.089  - info: zigbee.0 (2000) init localConfig
2025-04-15 20:48:19.100  - info: zigbee.0 (2000)   --> transmitPower : normal
2025-04-15 20:48:19.116  - info: zigbee.0 (2000) delete old Backup files. keep only last 10
2025-04-15 20:48:19.121  - info: zigbee.0 (2000) --- creating device debug ---
2025-04-15 20:48:19.123  - info: zigbee.0 (2000) Starting Adapter npm ...
2025-04-15 20:48:19.192  - info: zigbee.0 (2000) Installed Version: iobroker.zigbee@2.0.5 (Converters 23.6.0 Herdsman 3.5.1)
2025-04-15 20:48:19.195  - info: zigbee.0 (2000) Starting Zigbee-Herdsman
2025-04-15 20:48:21.264  - info: zigbee.0 (2000) Unable to obtain herdsman settings
2025-04-15 20:48:21.351  - error: zigbee.0 (2000) Starting zigbee-herdsman problem : Error: Operation not supported, cannot set
2025-04-15 20:48:21.356  - error: zigbee.0 (2000) Unhandled promise rejection. This error originated either by throwing inside of an async function without a catch block, or by rejecting a promise which was not handled with .catch().
2025-04-15 20:48:21.358  - error: zigbee.0 (2000) unhandled promise rejection: undefined
2025-04-15 20:48:21.359  - error: zigbee.0 (2000) undefined
2025-04-15 20:48:21.541  - info: zigbee.0 (2000) cleaned everything up...
2025-04-15 20:48:21.543  - info: zigbee.0 (2000) local config saved
2025-04-15 20:48:21.553  - info: zigbee.0 (2000) Saved local configuration data
2025-04-15 20:48:21.554  - info: zigbee.0 (2000) terminating
2025-04-15 20:48:21.556  - warn: zigbee.0 (2000) Terminated (UNCAUGHT_EXCEPTION): Without reason
2025-04-15 20:48:22.308  - error: zigbee.0 (2000) Failed to open the network: TypeError: Cannot read properties of undefined (reading 'permitJoin')
2025-04-15 20:48:22.347  - info: zigbee.0 (2000) terminating
2025-04-15 20:48:22.358  - warn: zigbee.0 (2000) Device 0x5c0272fffe7a194d "LED1537R6/LED1739R5" not found.
2025-04-15 20:48:22.360  - warn: zigbee.0 (2000) Device 0x5c0272fffe6c6dac "LED1537R6/LED1739R5" not found.
2025-04-15 20:48:22.362  - warn: zigbee.0 (2000) Device 0x086bd7fffe202f76 "LED1537R6/LED1739R5" not found.
2025-04-15 20:48:22.364  - warn: zigbee.0 (2000) Device 0xd0cf5efffedccd5c "LED1537R6/LED1739R5" not found.
2025-04-15 20:48:22.366  - warn: zigbee.0 (2000) Device 0x086bd7fffe5a65e9 "LED1537R6/LED1739R5" not found.
2025-04-15 20:48:22.368  - warn: zigbee.0 (2000) Device 0xd0cf5efffedcdea0 "LED1537R6/LED1739R5" not found.
2025-04-15 20:48:22.370  - warn: zigbee.0 (2000) Device 0x680ae2fffe7f2cd1 "E1524/E1810" not found.
2025-04-15 20:48:22.371  - warn: zigbee.0 (2000) Device 0x00158d0003a4b637 "MCCGQ11LM" not found.
2025-04-15 20:48:22.374  - warn: zigbee.0 (2000) Device 0x00158d0003a34c86 "MCCGQ11LM" not found.
2025-04-15 20:48:22.376  - warn: zigbee.0 (2000) Device 0x00158d0003a4ae97 "MCCGQ11LM" not found.
2025-04-15 20:48:22.378  - warn: zigbee.0 (2000) Device 0x00158d0004abe35b "RTCGQ11LM" not found.
2025-04-15 20:48:22.380  - warn: zigbee.0 (2000) Device 0x5c0272fffe81deaa "E1743" not found.
2025-04-15 20:48:22.383  - warn: zigbee.0 (2000) Device 0x5c0272fffe7a364d "LED1537R6/LED1739R5" not found.
2025-04-15 20:48:22.384  - warn: zigbee.0 (2000) Device 0x5c0272fffe6b4e2c "LED1537R6/LED1739R5" not found.
2025-04-15 20:48:22.387  - warn: zigbee.0 (2000) Device 0x00158d00044a926f "WSDCGQ11LM" not found.
2025-04-15 20:48:22.389  - warn: zigbee.0 (2000) Device 0x00158d0004abe29a "RTCGQ11LM" not found.
2025-04-15 20:48:22.390  - warn: zigbee.0 (2000) Device 0x00158d00035390ec "MCCGQ11LM" not found.
2025-04-15 20:48:22.392  - warn: zigbee.0 (2000) Device 0x00158d000679273c "WXKG11LM" not found.
2025-04-15 20:48:22.395  - warn: zigbee.0 (2000) Device 0x00158d00067bd3e6 "WXKG11LM" not found.
2025-04-15 20:48:22.396  - warn: zigbee.0 (2000) Device 0x00124b0024545ee5 "SNZB-03" not found.
2025-04-15 20:48:22.626  - info: zigbee.0 (2000) terminating
2025-04-15 20:48:22.796  - warn: zigbee.0 (2000) get state error: Connection is closed.
2025-04-15 20:48:22.798  - warn: zigbee.0 (2000) redis get zigbee.0.info.debugmessages, error - DB closed
2025-04-15 20:48:22.800  - warn: zigbee.0 (2000) get state error: DB closed
2025-04-15 20:48:23.558  - warn: zigbee.0 (2000) Could not perform strict object check of state zigbee.0.5c0272fffe7a194d.available: DB closed
2025-04-15 20:48:23.560  - warn: zigbee.0 (2000) get state error: Connection is closed.
2025-04-15 20:48:23.561  - warn: zigbee.0 (2000) Could not perform strict object check of state zigbee.0.5c0272fffe7a194d.available: DB closed
2025-04-15 20:48:23.562  - warn: zigbee.0 (2000) get state error: Connection is closed.
2025-04-15 20:48:23.563  - warn: zigbee.0 (2000) Could not perform strict object check of state zigbee.0.5c0272fffe7a194d.link_quality: DB closed
2025-04-15 20:48:23.564  - warn: zigbee.0 (2000) get state error: Connection is closed.
2025-04-15 20:48:23.567  - warn: zigbee.0 (2000) Could not perform strict object check of state zigbee.0.5c0272fffe7a194d.link_quality: DB closed
2025-04-15 20:48:23.568  - warn: zigbee.0 (2000) get state error: Connection is closed.
2025-04-15 20:48:23.569  - warn: zigbee.0 (2000) Could not perform strict object check of state zigbee.0.5c0272fffe6c6dac.available: DB closed
2025-04-15 20:48:23.570  - warn: zigbee.0 (2000) get state error: Connection is closed.
2025-04-15 20:48:23.574  - warn: zigbee.0 (2000) Could not perform strict object check of state zigbee.0.5c0272fffe6c6dac.available: DB closed
2025-04-15 20:48:23.575  - warn: zigbee.0 (2000) get state error: Connection is closed.
2025-04-15 20:48:23.576  - warn: zigbee.0 (2000) Could not perform strict object check of state zigbee.0.5c0272fffe6c6dac.link_quality: DB closed
2025-04-15 20:48:23.577  - warn: zigbee.0 (2000) get state error: Connection is closed.
2025-04-15 20:48:23.578  - warn: zigbee.0 (2000) Could not perform strict object check of state zigbee.0.5c0272fffe6c6dac.link_quality: DB closed
2025-04-15 20:48:23.580  - warn: zigbee.0 (2000) get state error: Connection is closed.
2025-04-15 20:48:23.583  - warn: zigbee.0 (2000) Could not perform strict object check of state zigbee.0.086bd7fffe202f76.available: DB closed
2025-04-15 20:48:23.584  - warn: zigbee.0 (2000) get state error: Connection is closed.
2025-04-15 20:48:23.585  - warn: zigbee.0 (2000) Could not perform strict object check of state zigbee.0.086bd7fffe202f76.available: DB closed
2025-04-15 20:48:23.588  - warn: zigbee.0 (2000) get state error: Connection is closed.
2025-04-15 20:48:23.589  - warn: zigbee.0 (2000) Could not perform strict object check of state zigbee.0.086bd7fffe202f76.link_quality: DB closed
2025-04-15 20:48:23.591  - warn: zigbee.0 (2000) get state error: Connection is closed.
2025-04-15 20:48:23.592  - warn: zigbee.0 (2000) Could not perform strict object check of state zigbee.0.086bd7fffe202f76.link_quality: DB closed
2025-04-15 20:48:23.593  - warn: zigbee.0 (2000) get state error: Connection is closed.
2025-04-15 20:48:23.594  - warn: zigbee.0 (2000) Could not perform strict object check of state zigbee.0.d0cf5efffedccd5c.available: DB closed
2025-04-15 20:48:23.595  - warn: zigbee.0 (2000) get state error: Connection is closed.
2025-04-15 20:48:23.596  - warn: zigbee.0 (2000) Could not perform strict object check of state zigbee.0.d0cf5efffedccd5c.available: DB closed
2025-04-15 20:48:23.599  - warn: zigbee.0 (2000) get state error: Connection is closed.
2025-04-15 20:48:23.600  - warn: zigbee.0 (2000) Could not perform strict object check of state zigbee.0.d0cf5efffedccd5c.link_quality: DB closed
2025-04-15 20:48:23.601  - warn: zigbee.0 (2000) get state error: Connection is closed.
2025-04-15 20:48:23.602  - warn: zigbee.0 (2000) Could not perform strict object check of state zigbee.0.d0cf5efffedccd5c.link_quality: DB closed
2025-04-15 20:48:23.603  - warn: zigbee.0 (2000) get state error: Connection is closed.
2025-04-15 20:48:23.627  - info: zigbee.0 (2000) terminating with timeout
2025-04-15 20:48:57.895  - info: zigbee.0 (2347) starting. Version 2.0.5 in /opt/iobroker/node_modules/iobroker.zigbee, node: v20.19.0, js-controller: 7.0.6
2025-04-15 20:48:57.923  - info: zigbee.0 (2347) init localConfig
2025-04-15 20:48:57.932  - info: zigbee.0 (2347)   --> transmitPower : normal
2025-04-15 20:48:57.947  - info: zigbee.0 (2347) delete old Backup files. keep only last 10
2025-04-15 20:48:57.952  - info: zigbee.0 (2347) --- creating device debug ---
2025-04-15 20:48:57.953  - info: zigbee.0 (2347) Starting Adapter npm ...
2025-04-15 20:48:58.023  - info: zigbee.0 (2347) Installed Version: iobroker.zigbee@2.0.5 (Converters 23.6.0 Herdsman 3.5.1)
2025-04-15 20:48:58.026  - info: zigbee.0 (2347) Starting Zigbee-Herdsman
2025-04-15 20:48:59.913  - info: zigbee.0 (2347) Unable to obtain herdsman settings
2025-04-15 20:48:59.995  - error: zigbee.0 (2347) Starting zigbee-herdsman problem : Error: Operation not supported, cannot set
2025-04-15 20:48:59.998  - error: zigbee.0 (2347) Unhandled promise rejection. This error originated either by throwing inside of an async function without a catch block, or by rejecting a promise which was not handled with .catch().
2025-04-15 20:49:00.000  - error: zigbee.0 (2347) unhandled promise rejection: undefined
2025-04-15 20:49:00.001  - error: zigbee.0 (2347) undefined
2025-04-15 20:49:00.101  - info: zigbee.0 (2347) cleaned everything up...
2025-04-15 20:49:00.104  - info: zigbee.0 (2347) local config saved
2025-04-15 20:49:00.106  - info: zigbee.0 (2347) Saved local configuration data
2025-04-15 20:49:00.107  - info: zigbee.0 (2347) terminating
2025-04-15 20:49:00.110  - warn: zigbee.0 (2347) Terminated (UNCAUGHT_EXCEPTION): Without reason
2025-04-15 20:49:00.520  - error: zigbee.0 (2347) Failed to open the network: TypeError: Cannot read properties of undefined (reading 'permitJoin')
2025-04-15 20:49:00.535  - info: zigbee.0 (2347) terminating
2025-04-15 20:49:00.538  - warn: zigbee.0 (2347) Device 0x5c0272fffe7a194d "LED1537R6/LED1739R5" not found.
2025-04-15 20:49:00.539  - warn: zigbee.0 (2347) Device 0x5c0272fffe6c6dac "LED1537R6/LED1739R5" not found.
2025-04-15 20:49:00.540  - warn: zigbee.0 (2347) Device 0x086bd7fffe202f76 "LED1537R6/LED1739R5" not found.
2025-04-15 20:49:00.541  - warn: zigbee.0 (2347) Device 0xd0cf5efffedccd5c "LED1537R6/LED1739R5" not found.
2025-04-15 20:49:00.542  - warn: zigbee.0 (2347) Device 0x086bd7fffe5a65e9 "LED1537R6/LED1739R5" not found.
2025-04-15 20:49:00.543  - warn: zigbee.0 (2347) Device 0xd0cf5efffedcdea0 "LED1537R6/LED1739R5" not found.
2025-04-15 20:49:00.544  - warn: zigbee.0 (2347) Device 0x680ae2fffe7f2cd1 "E1524/E1810" not found.
2025-04-15 20:49:00.545  - warn: zigbee.0 (2347) Device 0x00158d0003a4b637 "MCCGQ11LM" not found.
2025-04-15 20:49:00.547  - warn: zigbee.0 (2347) Device 0x00158d0003a34c86 "MCCGQ11LM" not found.
2025-04-15 20:49:00.548  - warn: zigbee.0 (2347) Device 0x00158d0003a4ae97 "MCCGQ11LM" not found.
2025-04-15 20:49:00.549  - warn: zigbee.0 (2347) Device 0x00158d0004abe35b "RTCGQ11LM" not found.
2025-04-15 20:49:00.550  - warn: zigbee.0 (2347) Device 0x5c0272fffe81deaa "E1743" not found.
2025-04-15 20:49:00.551  - warn: zigbee.0 (2347) Device 0x5c0272fffe7a364d "LED1537R6/LED1739R5" not found.
2025-04-15 20:49:00.552  - warn: zigbee.0 (2347) Device 0x5c0272fffe6b4e2c "LED1537R6/LED1739R5" not found.
2025-04-15 20:49:00.553  - warn: zigbee.0 (2347) Device 0x00158d00044a926f "WSDCGQ11LM" not found.
2025-04-15 20:49:00.554  - warn: zigbee.0 (2347) Device 0x00158d0004abe29a "RTCGQ11LM" not found.
2025-04-15 20:49:00.554  - warn: zigbee.0 (2347) Device 0x00158d00035390ec "MCCGQ11LM" not found.
2025-04-15 20:49:00.555  - warn: zigbee.0 (2347) Device 0x00158d000679273c "WXKG11LM" not found.
2025-04-15 20:49:00.556  - warn: zigbee.0 (2347) Device 0x00158d00067bd3e6 "WXKG11LM" not found.
2025-04-15 20:49:00.557  - warn: zigbee.0 (2347) Device 0x00124b0024545ee5 "SNZB-03" not found.
2025-04-15 20:49:00.627  - info: zigbee.0 (2347) terminating
2025-04-15 20:49:01.072  - warn: zigbee.0 (2347) redis get zigbee.0.info.debugmessages, error - Connection is closed.
2025-04-15 20:49:01.094  - warn: zigbee.0 (2347) get state error: Connection is closed.
2025-04-15 20:49:01.096  - warn: zigbee.0 (2347) get state error: Connection is closed.
2025-04-15 20:49:01.315  - warn: zigbee.0 (2347) Could not perform strict object check of state zigbee.0.5c0272fffe7a194d.available: DB closed
2025-04-15 20:49:01.317  - warn: zigbee.0 (2347) get state error: Connection is closed.
2025-04-15 20:49:01.320  - warn: zigbee.0 (2347) Could not perform strict object check of state zigbee.0.5c0272fffe7a194d.available: DB closed
2025-04-15 20:49:01.325  - warn: zigbee.0 (2347) get state error: Connection is closed.
2025-04-15 20:49:01.326  - warn: zigbee.0 (2347) Could not perform strict object check of state zigbee.0.5c0272fffe7a194d.link_quality: DB closed
2025-04-15 20:49:01.327  - warn: zigbee.0 (2347) get state error: Connection is closed.
2025-04-15 20:49:01.328  - warn: zigbee.0 (2347) Could not perform strict object check of state zigbee.0.5c0272fffe7a194d.link_quality: DB closed
2025-04-15 20:49:01.333  - warn: zigbee.0 (2347) get state error: Connection is closed.
2025-04-15 20:49:01.334  - warn: zigbee.0 (2347) Could not perform strict object check of state zigbee.0.5c0272fffe6c6dac.available: DB closed
2025-04-15 20:49:01.335  - warn: zigbee.0 (2347) get state error: Connection is closed.
2025-04-15 20:49:01.336  - warn: zigbee.0 (2347) Could not perform strict object check of state zigbee.0.5c0272fffe6c6dac.available: DB closed
2025-04-15 20:49:01.339  - warn: zigbee.0 (2347) get state error: Connection is closed.
2025-04-15 20:49:01.340  - warn: zigbee.0 (2347) Could not perform strict object check of state zigbee.0.5c0272fffe6c6dac.link_quality: DB closed
2025-04-15 20:49:01.341  - warn: zigbee.0 (2347) get state error: Connection is closed.
2025-04-15 20:49:01.342  - warn: zigbee.0 (2347) Could not perform strict object check of state zigbee.0.5c0272fffe6c6dac.link_quality: DB closed
2025-04-15 20:49:01.344  - warn: zigbee.0 (2347) get state error: Connection is closed.

[Homoran]

@fi_84 die Zeile
zigbee.0 2025-04-15 16:20:28.648 error Starting zigbee-herdsman problem : Error: Operation not supported, cannot set

hast du gerade nicht mehr erwischt

[Homoran]

@fi_84 sagte in Tester für Zigbee Adapter 2.0.x gesucht:

                        2025-04-15 20:48:21.351  - error: zigbee.0 (2000) Starting zigbee-herdsman problem : Error: Operation not supported, cannot set                        

hier ist sie nochmal!
@Asgothian
wieder unvollständig
ich fürchte das fehlende ist genau das Problem

[FI_84]

@homoran

es steht nicht mehr drin

[Homoran]

@fi_84 sagte in Tester für Zigbee Adapter 2.0.x gesucht:

es steht nicht mehr drin

glaub ich dir!

Danke

[Duffy]

@asgothian

Danke für die Info.

Ein „State cleanup“ erfordert dann ein erneutes anlernen aller Geräte?

Und wie würde man ein „state cleanup“ machen müssen? Den coordinator neu flashen?

Gruss Duffy

[Asgothian]

@duffy sagte in Tester für Zigbee Adapter 2.0.x gesucht:

@asgothian

Danke für die Info.

Ein „State cleanup“ erfordert dann ein erneutes anlernen aller Geräte?

Und wie würde man ein „state cleanup“ machen müssen? Den coordinator neu flashen?

Gruss Duffy

Bevor wir so weit gehen würde ich Dich bitten der Anleitung in diesem Post zu folgen.

Zum Thema state-cleanup empfehle ich die Lektüre des 1. Posts dieses Threads. Da ist beschrieben wie man das macht, was das macht, und was weiter passiert.

Es muss nichts neu angelernt werden.

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