Devices, Alias, Assistenten + Visualisierungen + die Zukunft

[Stephan Schleich]

@apollon77 Ich wollte eben einen Eintrag mit dem Typ Instanz erstellen, seit dem kann ich kein Gerät mehr hinzufügen weil ich nur noch eine weiße Seite bekomme - Reboot brachte auch nichts und im Log steht auch nichts

[apollon77]

@Stephan-Schleich Typ Instanz??? Was wolltest Du damit ... ds ist reserviert für Adapter Instanzen!

Brower Konsole irgendein Fehler?
ggf an der Kommandozeile das Objekt wieder löschen

[Stephan Schleich]

@apollon77 hab mich verklickt, es wurde kein Objekt angelegt zumindest seh ich keins.
Wenn ich den Adapter lösch sind alle aliase weg, kann ich die davor sichern?

[apollon77]

@Stephan-Schleich Aliasse sind nicht weg wenn DU Devices löschst. Wie kommst Du darauf?

[Stephan Schleich]

@apollon77 in den Objekten verschwindet doch immer alles was mit dem Adapter zu tun hatte, den man deinstalliert.
Edit: Das Problem lag am Browser, Chache gelöscht und jetzt gehts wieder, so sah es aus

[apollon77]

@Stephan-Schleich Nur states die unter den Instanzobjekten des Adaters abgelegt sind. deviecs hat da nichts. Was sagt die Browser Konsole?

[Stephan Schleich]

@apollon77 sagte in Devices, Alias, Assistenten + Visualisierungen + die Zukunft:

Browser Konsole

@apollon77 Achso okay - danke, wusste nicht das diese nicht zusammen hängen.
In der Browser Konsole hatte ich nicht nachgesehen als ich das Problem hatte, aber es lag am Browser Cache nun läufts wieder.

Eine Frage noch sofern es hier rein gehört:
Ich hab meine Klimaanlage via Alias angebunden nun würde ich im selben Objekt gerne noch die IP mit dazu nehmen ohne extra ein neues Objekt anzulegen, theoretisch müsste es doch mit z.b. working gehen da der typ any ist oder? es kommt aber nur true als value und nicht die IP

[apollon77]

@Stephan-Schleich Bitte nicht anfangen irgendwelche States zweck-zu-entfremden WORKIGN hat eine semantische Bedeutung

[Stephan Schleich]

@apollon77 okay, könnte man ne Möglichkeit bieten selber weitere Felder mit hinzuzufügen bzw ein paar freie?

[apollon77]

@Stephan-Schleich Feature Request bitte im Github beim Devices Adapter

[Stephan Schleich]

@apollon77 Wollt ich gerade machen, gibt es bereits - https://github.com/ioBroker/ioBroker.devices/issues/18

sbormann created this issue in ioBroker/ioBroker.devices

closed Allow adding more states to device #18

[apollon77]

@Stephan-Schleich Dann hinterlass ein "Daumen hoch" im ersten post

[mlengen]

@apollon77 Es ist hier so still geworden. Geht es hier noch weiter oder ist dieser Weg eine Sackgasse?

[braindead]

@mlengen In einem der letzten Dev Meetings wurde betont, dass Alias die Zukunft ist und der momentane Stand nur ein Zwischenstand ist. Was genau erwartest Du denn, was hier passieren soll?

[apollon77]

@mlengen Tage ... 24h ... Privatleben ... andere Prios ... such Dir nen Grund aus ... ja es ist immer noch der Plan ...

[kubi]

Ich habe mal eine Frage zum Adapter Devices, wie kann ich selbst Aliase zusätzlich anlegen ?

[Videonisse]

Sorry for late feedback but I just found this thread. I hope it's okey that I write in english as mein deutch ist leider nicht sehr gut (ich kann aber deutch gut lesen).

I'm thrilled to read about the enhancements in this area! This enables ioBroker to become smart

However, I would not use the Alexa Skills as a great Taxonomy for how to implement the metadata in ioBroker. Alexa is great and very flexible, but it lacks a good structure. For example, it only specifies 15 different Device types (Skill Device Templates). Google Assistant is much better; they have currently 78 Devices types for smart home area. Apple HomeKit has 23 (Accessory types).

Have I understood the proposed structure correctly that the Device top level will be called "Alias" and an alias then has a "Function", and below this, it will have one or more "Roles/Types" and these have different "States"?

Could you share how those different levels map to the Taxonomy used by, for example Alexa and Google?

Something else I would suggest is to not focus too much on Alexa and Google but use as much as possible from the already standardized and open framework from OpenConnectivity Foundation, the OCF Specification. The latest release is from July this year. They have already a huge amount of Devices types specified, 54 types for smart home and another 127 for appliances and other IoT devices. For the next level, they call it "Resource Types", they have specified 169 types. Most of the big players are members of OCF. Have you guys already looked at this spec and if so, what is your opinion about it?

For my own benefit, I have put a table together with how I understand the used Taxonomy and how they map. I also counted all the standardized types they currently have officially documented. Please, let me know if I misunderstood something.

Many thanks for the impressive work with ioBroker and all of the adapters!

[Videonisse]

EDIT: I found an online tool showing all the device and resource types as well as enumerations: https://openconnectivityfoundation.github.io/devicemodels/docs/index.html

Here is the list of OCF Universal Device types (Source: OCF spec Annex A)

Device Category  / Device Type  / Normative

Space Conditioning	
	Air Conditioner	oic.d.airconditioner
	Water Heater	oic.d.waterheater
	Furnace	oic.d.furnace
	Pump	oic.d.pump
	Fan	oic.d.fan
	Condensing Unit	oic.d.condensingunit
	Condenser	oic.d.condenser
	Humidifier	oic.d.humidifier
	Dehumidifier	oic.d.dehumidifier
	Thermostat	oic.d.thermostat
	HVAC	oic.d.hvac
	Air Purifier	oic.d.airpurifier
	Air Quality Monitor	oic.d.airqualitymonitor

Lighting
	Lighting Controls	oic.d.lightingcontrol
	Light	oic.d.light

Appliance
	Airer	oic.d.airer
	Dryer (Laundry)	oic.d.dryer
	"Washer (Laundry)"	oic.d.washer
	Clothes Washer Dryer	oic.d.washerdryer
	Dishwasher	oic.d.dishwasher
	Freezer	oic.d.freezer
	Ice Machine	oic.d.icemachine
	Indoor Garden	oic.d.indoorgarden
	Mattress	oic.d.mattress
	Oven	oic.d.oven
	Range	oic.d.range
	Refrigerator	oic.d.refrigerator
	Water Heater	oic.d.waterheater
	Water Purifier	oic.d.waterpurifier
	Cooker Hood	oic.d.cookerhood
	Cooktop	oic.d.cooktop
	Steam Closet	oic.d.steamcloset

Electronics
	Audio System	oic.d.audiosystem
	AV Player	oic.d.avplayer
	Camera	oic.d.camera
	Desktop PC	oic.d.desktoppc
	Notebook PC	oic.d.notebookpc
	Server	oic.d.server
	Computer	oic.d.pc
	Data Storage Unit	oic.d.datastorageunit
	Display	oic.d.display
	Portable Electronics	oic.d.portableelectronics
	Game Console	oic.d.gameconsole
	3D Printer	oic.d.3dprinter
	Printer	oic.d.printer
	Printer Multi- Function	oic.d.multifunctionprinter
	Scanner	oic.d.scanner
	Musical Instrument	oic.d.musicalinstrument
	Networking Equipment	oic.d.networking
	Handset	oic.d.handset
	Receiver	oic.d.receiver
	Set Top Box	oic.d.stb
	Telephony	oic.d.telephonydevice
	Television	oic.d.tv
	Active Speaker	oic.d.speaker
	Electronics	oic.d.smallelectrical

Miscellaneous
	Air Compressor	oic.d.aircompressor
	Bathroom General	oic.d.bathroomdevice
	Battery Charger	oic.d.batterycharger
	Business Equipment	oic.d.businessequipment
	Robot Cleaner	oic.d.robotcleaner
	Portable Stove	oic.d.portablestove
	Exercise Machine	oic.d.exercisemachine
	Portable HVAC	oic.d.hvacportable
	Optical augmented RFID Reader	oic.d.orfid
	Coffee Machine	oic.d.coffeemachine
	Food Probe	oic.d.foodprobe
	Grinder	oic.d.grinder
	Kettle	oic.d.kettle
	Decorative Lighting	oic.d.lightdecorative
	Emergency Lighting	oic.d.lightemergency
	Microwave Oven	oic.d.microwave
	Vending Machine	oic.d.vendingmachine
	Water Dispenser	oic.d.waterdispenser
	Battery	oic.d.battery

Infrastructure	
	Water Valve	oic.d.watervalve
	Blind	oic.d.blind
	Door	oic.d.door
	Garage Door	oic.d.garagedoor
	Smart Lock	oic.d.smartlock
	Window	oic.d.window
	Fireplace	oic.d.fireplace
	Pump	oic.d.pump
	Energy Generator	oic.d.energygenerator
	Smart Plug	oic.d.smartplug
	Arc Fault Circuit Interrupter	oic.d.afci
	Circuit Breaker	oic.d.circuitbreaker
	Ground Fault Circuit Interrupter	oic.d.gfci
	Inverter	oic.d.inverter
	PV Array System	oic.d.pvarraysystem
	Switch	oic.d.switch
	Security Panel	oic.d.securitypanel
	Generic Sensor	oic.d.sensor
	Electric Meter	oic.d.electricmeter
	Energy Monitor	oic.d.energymonitor

Transportation	
	Electric Vehicle Charger	oic.d.electricvehiclecharger

Fitness	
	Fitness Device	oic.d.fitnessdevice
	Activity Tracker	oic.d.activitytracker
	Blood Pressure Monitor	oic.d.bloodpressuremonitor
	Body Thermometer	oic.d.bodythermometer
	Cycling Power Meter	oic.d.cyclingpowermeter
	Cycling Speed Sensor	oic.d.cyclingspeedsensor
	Cycling Cadence Sensor	oic.d.cyclingcadencesensor
	Heart Rate Monitor	oic.d.heartratemonitor
	Muscle Oxygen Monitor	oic.d.muscleoxygenmonitor

Medical	
	Blood Pressure Monitor	oic.d.bloodpressuremonitor
	Body Scale	oic.d.bodyscale
	Body Thermometer	oic.d.bodythermometer
	CGM	oic.d.cgm
	Glucose Meter	oic.d.glucosemeter
	Heart Rate Monitor	oic.d.heartratemonitor
	Medical Device	oic.d.medicaldevice
	Pulse Oximeter	oic.d.pulseoximeter
	Sleep Monitor	oic.d.sleepmonitor

Personal Health
	Activity Tracker	oic.d.activitytracker
	Blood Pressure Monitor	oic.d.bloodpressuremonitor
	Body Composition Analyser	oic.d.bodycompositionanalys er
	Body Scale	oic.d.bodyscale
	Body Thermometer	oic.d.bodythermometer
	CGM	oic.d.cgm
	Glucose Meter	oic.d.glucosemeter
	Heart Rate Monitor	oic.d.heartratemonitor
	Personal Health Device	oic.d.personalhealthdevice
	Pulse Oximeter	oic.d.pulseoximeter
	Sleep Monitor	oic.d.sleepmonitor

Other		oic.d.unknown
	Access Management Service	oic.d.ams
	Credential Management Service	oic.d.cms
	Device Ownership Transfer Service	oic.d.dots

And a list with the 169 Resource Type definitions

Friendly Name (informative)	Resource Type (rt)
3D Printer	oic.r.printer.3d
Acceleration Sensor	oic.r.sensor.acceleration
Activity	oic.r.activity
Activity Count	oic.r.sensor.activity.count
Activity Tracker Atomic Measurement	oic.r.activitytracker-am
Air Flow	oic.r.airflow
Air Flow Control	oic.r.airflowcontrol
Air Quality	oic.r.airquality
Air Quality Collection	oic.r.airqualitycollection
Alarm	oic.r.alarm
Altimeter	oic.r.altimeter
Atmospheric Pressure	oic.r.sensor.atmosphericpressure
Audio Controls	oic.r.audio
Auto Focus	oic.r.autofocus
Automatic Document Feeder	oic.r.automaticdocumentfeeder
Auto White Balance	oic.r.colour.autowhitebalance
Battery	oic.r.energy.battery
Battery Material	oic.r.batterymaterial
Body Composition Analyser Atomic Measurement	oic.r.bodycompositionanalyser-am
Binary switch	oic.r.switch.binary
Blood Pressure	oic.r.blood.pressure
Blood Pressure Monitor Atomic Measurement	oic.r.bloodpressuremonitor-am
BMI	oic.r.bmi
Body Fat	oic.r.body.fat
Body Fat Free Mass	oic.r.body.ffm
Body Location Temperature	oic.r.body.location.temperature
Body Scale Atomic Measurement	oic.r.body.scale-am
Body Soft Lean Mass	oic.r.body.slm
Body Thermometer Atomic Measurement	oic.r.bodythermometer-am
Body Water	oic.r.body.water
Brewing	oic.r.brewing
Brightness	oic.r.light.brightness
Button Switch	oic.r.button
Cadence	oic.r.cadence
Calibrate for Continuous Glucose Meter (CGM)	oic.r.cgm.calibrate
Calorific Value	oic.r.calorificvalue
Carbon Dioxide Sensor	oic.r.sensor.carbondioxide
Carbon Monoxide Sensor	oic.r.sensor.carbonmonoxide
Circuit Breaker (IEC 61850)	oic.r.circuitbreaker
Clock	oic.r.clock
Colour Chroma	oic.r.colour.chroma
Colour Hue Saturation	oic.r.colour.hs
Colour RGB	oic.r.colour.rgb
Colour Saturation	oic.r.colour.saturation
Colour Space Coordinates	oic.r.colour.csc
Colour Temperature	oic.r.colour.colourtemperature
Consumable	oic.r.consumable
Consumable Collection	oic.r.consumablecollection
Contact Sensor	oic.r.sensor.contact
Continuous Glucose Meter (CGM) Atomic Measurement	oic.r.cgm-am
Conversion Factor	oic.r.conversionfactor
Cycling Power	oic.r.cyclingpower
Delay Defrost	oic.r.delaydefrost
Demand Response Load Control (DRLC)	oic.r.energy.drlc
Deodorization	oic.r.deodorization
Device Settings - Accessibility	oic.r.settings.accessibility
Device Settings - Broadcasting	oic.r.settings.broadcasting
Device Settings - Picture	oic.r.settings.picture
Device Settings - Sound	oic.r.settings.sound
Device Settings - Support	oic.r.settings.support
Device Settings - System	oic.r.settings.system
Dimming	oic.r.light.dimming
Door	oic.r.door
Ecomode	oic.r.ecomode
Electric Vehicle Connector	oic.r.vehicle.connector
Electrical Energy	oic.r.energy.electrical
Energy Consumption	oic.r.energy.consumption
Energy Generation	oic.r.energy.generation
Energy Overload/Circuit Breaker	oic.r.energy.overload
Energy Usage	oic.r.energy.usage
Gas Consumption	oic.r.gas.consumption
Gas Usage	oic.r.gas.usage
Fault Interrupter Switch	oic.r.switch.fault
Foaming	oic.r.foaming
Generic Sensor	oic.r.sensor
Geolocation Sensor	oic.r.sensor.geolocation
Glass Break Sensor	oic.r.sensor.glassbreak
Glucose	oic.r.glucose
Glucose Meter Complex Carbohydrates	oic.r.glucose.carb
Glucose Meter Exercise	oic.r.glucose.exercise
Glucose Meter HbA1c	oic.r.glucose.hba1c
Glucose Meter Context Health	oic.r.glucose.health
Glucose Meter Context Meal	oic.r.glucose.meal
Glucose Meter Context Medication	oic.r.glucose.medication
Glucose Meter Atomic Measurement	oic.r.glucosemeter-am
Glucose Meter Context Sample Location	oic.r.glucose.samplelocation
Glucose Meter Context Tester	oic.r.glucose.tester
Grinder	oic.r.grinder
HVAC Capacity	
Oic.r.hvac.capacity	6.157
Heart Rate	oic.r.heartrate
Heart Rate Monitor Atomic Measurement Representation	oic.r.heartratemonitor-am
Heart Rate Zone Sensor	oic.r.sensor.heart.zone
Heating Zone	oic.r.heatingzone
Heating Zone Collection	oic.r.heatingzonecollection
Height	oic.r.height
Humidity	oic.r.humidity
IAS Zone Info	oic.r.iaszoneinfo
IAS Zone Collection	oic.r.iaszone
Icemaker	oic.r.icemaker
Illuminance Sensor	oic.r.sensor.illuminance
Impact Sensor	oic.r.impactsensor
Inverter (IEC 61850)	oic.r.inverter
KeyCard Switch	oic.r.keycardswitch
Keypad Character	oic.r.keypadchar
Liquid Level	oic.r.liquid.level
Lock	oic.r.lock.status
Lock Code	oic.r.lock.code
Magnetic Field Direction	oic.r.sensor.magneticfielddirection
Media	oic.r.media
Media Audio	oic.r.media.audio
Media Core	oic.r.media.core
Media Image	oic.r.media.image
Media Source	oic.r.mediasource
Media Source List	oic.r.mediasourcelist
Media Source Input	oic.r.media.input
Media Source Output	oic.r.media.output
Media Text	oic.r.media.text
Media Video	oic.r.media.video
Mode	oic.r.mode
Movement	oic.r.movement.linear
Motion Sensor	oic.r.sensor.motion
Muscle Oxygen Saturation	oic.r.muscleoxygensaturation
Night Mode	oic.r.nightmode
Opaque Data	oic.r.opaquedata
Open Level	oic.r.openlevel
Operational State	oic.r.operational.state
Optical RFID Station	oic.r.orfid.station
Optical RFID Tag	oic.r.orfid.tag
Pan Tilt Zoom Movement	oic.r.ptz
Power Source	oic.r.powersource
Presence Sensor	oic.r.sensor.presence
Print Queue	oic.r.printer.queue
Pulsatile Characteristic for Pulse Oximeter	oic.r.pulsatilecharacteristic
Pulsatile Occurrence for Pulse Oximeter	oic.r.pulsatileoccurrence
Pulse Oximeter Atomic Measurement Representation	oic.r.pulseoximeter-am
Pulse Rate	oic.r.pulserate
PV array system connection terminal (IEC 61850)	oic.r pvconnectionterminal
Ramp Time	oic.r.light.ramptime
Refrigeration	oic.r.refrigeration
Restricted Switch	oic.r.switch.restricted
Sampling Interface for Continuous Glucose Meter (CGM)	oic.r.cgm.samplinginterval
Selectable Levels	oic.r.selectablelevels
Sensor for Continuous Glucose Meter (CGM)	oic.r.cgm.sensor
Sensor Properties	oic.r.sensor.props
Signal Strength	oic.r.signalstrength
Sleep	oic.r.sleep
Sleep Monitor Atomic Measurement Batch Representation	oic.r.sleepmonitor-am
Sleep Sensor	oic.r.sensor.sleep
Smoke Sensor	oic.r.sensor.smoke
Speech Synthesis	oic.r.speech.tts
Speed	oic.r.speed
SpO2 for Pulse Oximeter	oic.r.spo2
Status for Continuous Glucose Meter (CGM)	oic.r.cgm.status
Temperature	oic.r.temperature
Three Axis Sensor	oic.r.sensor.threeaxis
Threshold for Continuous Glucose Meter (CGM)	oic.r.cgm.threshold
Time Period	oic.r.time.period
Time Stamp	oic.r.time.stamp
Torque	oic.r.torque
Touch Sensor	oic.r.sensor.touch
UV Radiation	oic.r.sensor.radiation.uv
User ID	oic.r.userid
User Info for Application Layer	oic.r.userinfo
Value Conditional	oic.r.value.conditional
Water Info	oic.r.waterinfo
Water Sensor	oic.r.sensor.water
Weight	oic.r.weight
Window Covering	oic.r.windowcovering

[da_Woody]

@kubi said in Devices, Alias, Assistenten + Visualisierungen + die Zukunft:

Ich habe mal eine Frage zum Adapter Devices, wie kann ich selbst Aliase zusätzlich anlegen ?

Alias anlegen

[Garfonso]

@Videonisse said in Devices, Alias, Assistenten + Visualisierungen + die Zukunft:

Have I understood the proposed structure correctly that the Device top level will be called "Alias" and an alias then has a "Function", and below this, it will have one or more "Roles/Types" and these have different "States"?

That is not how I understood it. It is more flexible and linked to the ioBroker way to do things. Currently all aliases have an ID that starts with alias.0. That probalby will stay that way.
The proposed device templates are a thing of an object of type "device", i.e. it describes one physical / logical device. The devices in ioBroker usually have multiple states (which can be sensor readings or ways to control the device). Currently this is all very loose and very different for different device types / manufacturers. The idea of the device templates is to have, as an attribute of the device itself, a list of possible "functions" that such a device can have and with that create a mapping from function to existing states in ioBroker. So that an adapter that creates a visualisation or device for alexa / google home or similar can determine from the device object which states to use to control the device.