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    • mickym
      mickym Most Active @Saranger last edited by mickym

      @saranger einfach den Status in einer Flow Variable speichern und mit je einer switchnode die Ausgabe der beiden anderen iobroker In Nodes blockieren oder durchlassen

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        Saranger @mickym last edited by

        @mickym ok muss ich später mal googeln was die flow Variable ist.

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          mickym Most Active @Saranger last edited by mickym

          @saranger einfach den Status als variable im Kontext abspeichern.
          Nennen wir die Variable mal „Status“. Dann nimmst Du, wo der Status rauskommt eine Change Node und speicherst die payload der Nachricht.
          Also setze flow.status auf msg.payload. Du kannst dafür einfach eine weitere Regel in der bereits vorhandenen Change-Node nutzen.
          In den Switch nodes hinter, die beim Status „false“ blockieren sollen, konfigurierst:
          Wenn flow.status ist true, dann werden Titel und Interpret nur durchgelassen, wenn der Status true ist.

          Alternative wäre es die beiden anderen iobroker-in nodes gar nicht triggern zu lassen und nur bei Play aktiv die beiden Datenpunkte mit einer iobroker-get Node auszulesen. In diesem einfachen Fall fände ich das sogar eleganter und sauberer gelöst, da man da nicht warten muss, bis der Datenpunkt aktualisiert wird und der Trigger eindeutig ist. Also einfach an den switch-Node noch einen Ausgang für true, und mit 2 get nodes die text nodes beschreiben.

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            Saranger @mickym last edited by

            @mickym Die zweite Lösung passt :-). Ich weis nicht wie ich das alles raus finden soll ohne das Forum bzw. dich 🙂

            Unbenannt.JPG

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              mickym Most Active @Saranger last edited by mickym

              @saranger mit der Zeit schult sich der logische Verstand. Man muss nur systematisch vorgehen. Am Besten - was triggert meinen Flow - also mit was fange ich links an - und welche Aktion oder Ausgabe erwarte ich - mit was endet der Flow rechts. Dann weißt Du wie die Ausgabe aussehen bzw. welches Format oder Kommando Dein Aktor erwartet. Dazwischen transformierst Du das Nachrichtenobjekt unter Einbeziehung ggf. weiterer logischer Parameter.

              Dazu erst mal gar nicht zu technisch denken, sondern wirklich was triggert:
              Das kann eine Aktion von jemand sein (du betätigst einen Schalter), die Meldung eines Sensors, eine Uhrzeit, der Sonnenstand, ein Zeitintervall oder auch ein Wetterereignis. Wahrscheinlich gibts nach was, was mir gerade nicht einfällt.
              Die Ausgabe ist entweder etwas auf dem Dashboard oder das Steuern eines Gerätes. Und diesen Weg vom Trigger zum Ausgang kannst Du in NodeRed grafisch darstellen. Wenn was nicht funktioniert mit Debug Nodes von links nach rechts (wie Du normalerweise liest) abschnittsweise schauen, ob Dein Nachrichtenobjekt noch dem entspricht, was Du erwartest.

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                Saranger @mickym last edited by

                @mickym einen guten Abend :-). Ich würde noch einmal deine Untersützung bei diesem Thema benötigen. Ich habe jetzt ein Touch KNX Display und versuche gerade da die Lautstärke über den Slider zu regeln, leider krieg ich das nicht umgesetzt. Der Slider hat 1 byte für die Lautstärke, leider fehlt mir die Idee wie ich das an nodered übergebe um die Lautstörke zu erhöhen hast du da eine idee?

                Viele Grüße

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                  mickym Most Active @Saranger last edited by

                  @saranger Nun mit einem Byte solltest Du ja dann Werte zwischen 0 und 255 bekommen. Ggf. installiere Dir mal die Buffer Node um das Byte zu isolieren. Das KNX solltest Du ja selbst über die Nodes reinbekommen.

                  https://flows.nodered.org/node/node-red-contrib-buffer-parser

                  ggf. musst halt den Output hier posten, damit man das mittels einer Inject node nachvollziehen kann.

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                    Saranger @mickym last edited by

                    @mickym ich nutze ja den von dir erstellten Code. 1 Byte habe ich schon versucht aber ich kann in knx ultimate nicht 1 byte auswählen. Die richtige Position wo ich die KNX Ga einfügen habe ich da leider auch noch nicht gefunden.

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                      mickym Most Active @Saranger last edited by

                      @saranger Der Flow nützt mir nichts da ich kein KNX habe. Du sollst Dir die Buffer Node installieren, dann kannst Du das Byte isolieren und als separate Nachricht weiterverarbeiten. Sprich Du nimmst den output der knx ultimate und parsed bzw. zerlegst den output mit der buffer node.

                      Wie gesagt der Flow nutzt hier wenig, sondern poste lieber den output aus der knx node, wo das von Dir gesuchte Byte enthalten ist.

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                        Saranger @mickym last edited by Saranger

                        @mickym also ich habe die KNX Node so eingestellt, dass ein % Wert raus kommt zwischen 0-100 und das scheint immer in 5er Schritten zu springen. Sprich wenn ich die Lautstärke bei Sonos auf 50% setze würde und der Wert bei 50% steht kommt über das Plus Touch Symbol immer 5% dazu und bei minus entsprechend minus 5%. Es ist dementsprechend kein Stufenloser Slider sonder nur Buttons.

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                          Saranger @Saranger last edited by

                          @mickym
                          hat sich erledigt funktioniert jetzt. Hab jetzt die KNX Ultimate vor den Nodered slider mit zusätzlich eingefügt und klappt. Warum das gestern nicht ging weis ich noch nicht so genau.

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                            mickym Most Active @Saranger last edited by

                            @saranger das ist doch gut, wenn du Deine Probleme selbst lösen kannst. Manchmal waren es nur Kleinigkeiten. Also Glückwunsch und viel Spaß.

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                              Saranger @mickym last edited by

                              @mickym so jetzt muss ich doch noch einmal nachfragen, weil ich gerade noch einen weiteren Touchtaster teste und hier ist die Lautstärke wieder ganz anders. Bei lauter gibt der Taster ein True und bei leiser ein false. Jetzt hab ich das gerade mit einem Counter probiert aber das funktioniert leider noch nicht so wirklich. Hast du eine Idee wie ich das umsetzen kann, dass der bei lauter +4 und bei leiser -4 oder ähnliches ausführen kann?

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                                mickym Most Active @Saranger last edited by mickym

                                @saranger Ja ich habe schon mal einen Taster implementiert, das ist zwar nicht easy. Wobei ich bei einem Taster ja solange in eine Richtung geschaltet haben möchte, wie ich gedrückt halte.

                                Ich muss mal schauen, ob ich den Flow noch finde - da ich den mal zum Lernen erstellt habe. Wenn es laut und leise mit true und false ist musst Du halt selbst überlegen, wie lange ein Touch gelten soll. Einen richtigen Taster habe ich mal mit VIS simuliert und damit einen Dimmer geregelt und ein- und ausgeschaltet. Das kannst ggf. ja mal anpassen. Brauchst vielleicht bisschen bis Du das verstehst.

                                Links siehst Du wie ich quasi mit der Maus den Taster bediene. Beim Drücken kommt true beim Loslassen ein false.
                                Rechts siehst Du immer den zugehörigen Zustand der Lampe. Das müsste sich auf Ein/Aus Laut und Leise genauso anpassen lassen:

                                tasterimplementierung-dimmer-vis-nodered.mp4

                                Hier der zugehörige Flow - die Ein- und Ausgaben sind deaktiviert und musst halt durch Deine Nodes ggf. ersetzen. Wichtig ist die function Node mit der Du festlegst, ab wann ein Short- oder Longpress erkannt wird.

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                                  Saranger @mickym last edited by

                                  @mickym ja das gedrückt halten geht ja schon mit dem normalen Taster. Jetzt wäre es quasi pro Tastendruck ein True

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                                    mickym Most Active @Saranger last edited by

                                    @saranger Schau Dir mal den Flow an und das kleine Video. 😉

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                                      Saranger @mickym last edited by

                                      @mickym ok das hab ich so verstanden das video aber das hilft mir ja glaube nicht. Also das ist ein Touchdisplay was ich habe und der hat einen Plus button für lauter und einen Minus Button für lauter. So wenn ich jetzt 3x auf den Plus button (das die KNX kommt über die KNX Node Lautstärke - Taster GVS) Unbenannt.JPG drücke wäre es cool wenn die Lautstärke (pro Druck 5 Punkte) um 15 Punkte oder Prozent wie man es immer sehen mag lauter wird oder bei Minus entsprechend leiser wird. Mit dem Counter klappt das nicht richtig, ich habe da 3 stehen und dann gibt er immer erstmal die 3 aus und adiert erst beim nächsten Druck.

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                                        mickym Most Active last edited by mickym

                                        @saranger Also dann hilft Dir mein Flow gar nicht - da würde ich von neuem anfangen. Also vergiss den Flow.
                                        Du brauchst halt dann wohl eine flow Variable, die Du halt initiieren musst. (ggf. datenpunkt mit IST-Lautstärke auslesen)

                                        Deinen Taster simulieren ich jetzt mit einem true für lauter oder false für leiser.

                                        Wie Du die Flow-Variable initialisiert weiss ich nicht.

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                                          Saranger @mickym last edited by

                                          @mickym vielen Dank das passt die KNX Node sendet immer sobald man den Button benötigt :-).

                                          Jetzt geht es auch mit dem Touch Display.

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