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      kubi last edited by

      Ich habe mal eine Frage zum Adapter Devices, wie kann ich selbst Aliase zusätzlich anlegen ?

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        Videonisse @apollon77 last edited by Videonisse

        Sorry for late feedback but I just found this thread. I hope it's okey that I write in english as mein deutch ist leider nicht sehr gut (ich kann aber deutch gut lesen).

        I'm thrilled to read about the enhancements in this area! This enables ioBroker to become smart 🙂

        However, I would not use the Alexa Skills as a great Taxonomy for how to implement the metadata in ioBroker. Alexa is great and very flexible, but it lacks a good structure. For example, it only specifies 15 different Device types (Skill Device Templates). Google Assistant is much better; they have currently 78 Devices types for smart home area. Apple HomeKit has 23 (Accessory types).

        Have I understood the proposed structure correctly that the Device top level will be called "Alias" and an alias then has a "Function", and below this, it will have one or more "Roles/Types" and these have different "States"?

        Could you share how those different levels map to the Taxonomy used by, for example Alexa and Google?

        Something else I would suggest is to not focus too much on Alexa and Google but use as much as possible from the already standardized and open framework from OpenConnectivity Foundation, the OCF Specification. The latest release is from July this year. They have already a huge amount of Devices types specified, 54 types for smart home and another 127 for appliances and other IoT devices. For the next level, they call it "Resource Types", they have specified 169 types. Most of the big players are members of OCF. Have you guys already looked at this spec and if so, what is your opinion about it?

        For my own benefit, I have put a table together with how I understand the used Taxonomy and how they map. I also counted all the standardized types they currently have officially documented. Please, let me know if I misunderstood something.

        2020-10-19 00_10_41-Smart home APIs Google Alexa Homekit.xlsx - Taxonomy mapping.png

        Many thanks for the impressive work with ioBroker and all of the adapters!

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          Videonisse @Videonisse last edited by Videonisse

          EDIT: I found an online tool showing all the device and resource types as well as enumerations: https://openconnectivityfoundation.github.io/devicemodels/docs/index.html

          Here is the list of OCF Universal Device types (Source: OCF spec Annex A)

          Device Category  / Device Type  / Normative
          
          Space Conditioning	
          	Air Conditioner	oic.d.airconditioner
          	Water Heater	oic.d.waterheater
          	Furnace	oic.d.furnace
          	Pump	oic.d.pump
          	Fan	oic.d.fan
          	Condensing Unit	oic.d.condensingunit
          	Condenser	oic.d.condenser
          	Humidifier	oic.d.humidifier
          	Dehumidifier	oic.d.dehumidifier
          	Thermostat	oic.d.thermostat
          	HVAC	oic.d.hvac
          	Air Purifier	oic.d.airpurifier
          	Air Quality Monitor	oic.d.airqualitymonitor
          
          Lighting
          	Lighting Controls	oic.d.lightingcontrol
          	Light	oic.d.light
          
          Appliance
          	Airer	oic.d.airer
          	Dryer (Laundry)	oic.d.dryer
          	"Washer (Laundry)"	oic.d.washer
          	Clothes Washer Dryer	oic.d.washerdryer
          	Dishwasher	oic.d.dishwasher
          	Freezer	oic.d.freezer
          	Ice Machine	oic.d.icemachine
          	Indoor Garden	oic.d.indoorgarden
          	Mattress	oic.d.mattress
          	Oven	oic.d.oven
          	Range	oic.d.range
          	Refrigerator	oic.d.refrigerator
          	Water Heater	oic.d.waterheater
          	Water Purifier	oic.d.waterpurifier
          	Cooker Hood	oic.d.cookerhood
          	Cooktop	oic.d.cooktop
          	Steam Closet	oic.d.steamcloset
          
          Electronics
          	Audio System	oic.d.audiosystem
          	AV Player	oic.d.avplayer
          	Camera	oic.d.camera
          	Desktop PC	oic.d.desktoppc
          	Notebook PC	oic.d.notebookpc
          	Server	oic.d.server
          	Computer	oic.d.pc
          	Data Storage Unit	oic.d.datastorageunit
          	Display	oic.d.display
          	Portable Electronics	oic.d.portableelectronics
          	Game Console	oic.d.gameconsole
          	3D Printer	oic.d.3dprinter
          	Printer	oic.d.printer
          	Printer Multi- Function	oic.d.multifunctionprinter
          	Scanner	oic.d.scanner
          	Musical Instrument	oic.d.musicalinstrument
          	Networking Equipment	oic.d.networking
          	Handset	oic.d.handset
          	Receiver	oic.d.receiver
          	Set Top Box	oic.d.stb
          	Telephony	oic.d.telephonydevice
          	Television	oic.d.tv
          	Active Speaker	oic.d.speaker
          	Electronics	oic.d.smallelectrical
          
          Miscellaneous
          	Air Compressor	oic.d.aircompressor
          	Bathroom General	oic.d.bathroomdevice
          	Battery Charger	oic.d.batterycharger
          	Business Equipment	oic.d.businessequipment
          	Robot Cleaner	oic.d.robotcleaner
          	Portable Stove	oic.d.portablestove
          	Exercise Machine	oic.d.exercisemachine
          	Portable HVAC	oic.d.hvacportable
          	Optical augmented RFID Reader	oic.d.orfid
          	Coffee Machine	oic.d.coffeemachine
          	Food Probe	oic.d.foodprobe
          	Grinder	oic.d.grinder
          	Kettle	oic.d.kettle
          	Decorative Lighting	oic.d.lightdecorative
          	Emergency Lighting	oic.d.lightemergency
          	Microwave Oven	oic.d.microwave
          	Vending Machine	oic.d.vendingmachine
          	Water Dispenser	oic.d.waterdispenser
          	Battery	oic.d.battery
          
          Infrastructure	
          	Water Valve	oic.d.watervalve
          	Blind	oic.d.blind
          	Door	oic.d.door
          	Garage Door	oic.d.garagedoor
          	Smart Lock	oic.d.smartlock
          	Window	oic.d.window
          	Fireplace	oic.d.fireplace
          	Pump	oic.d.pump
          	Energy Generator	oic.d.energygenerator
          	Smart Plug	oic.d.smartplug
          	Arc Fault Circuit Interrupter	oic.d.afci
          	Circuit Breaker	oic.d.circuitbreaker
          	Ground Fault Circuit Interrupter	oic.d.gfci
          	Inverter	oic.d.inverter
          	PV Array System	oic.d.pvarraysystem
          	Switch	oic.d.switch
          	Security Panel	oic.d.securitypanel
          	Generic Sensor	oic.d.sensor
          	Electric Meter	oic.d.electricmeter
          	Energy Monitor	oic.d.energymonitor
          
          Transportation	
          	Electric Vehicle Charger	oic.d.electricvehiclecharger
          
          Fitness	
          	Fitness Device	oic.d.fitnessdevice
          	Activity Tracker	oic.d.activitytracker
          	Blood Pressure Monitor	oic.d.bloodpressuremonitor
          	Body Thermometer	oic.d.bodythermometer
          	Cycling Power Meter	oic.d.cyclingpowermeter
          	Cycling Speed Sensor	oic.d.cyclingspeedsensor
          	Cycling Cadence Sensor	oic.d.cyclingcadencesensor
          	Heart Rate Monitor	oic.d.heartratemonitor
          	Muscle Oxygen Monitor	oic.d.muscleoxygenmonitor
          
          Medical	
          	Blood Pressure Monitor	oic.d.bloodpressuremonitor
          	Body Scale	oic.d.bodyscale
          	Body Thermometer	oic.d.bodythermometer
          	CGM	oic.d.cgm
          	Glucose Meter	oic.d.glucosemeter
          	Heart Rate Monitor	oic.d.heartratemonitor
          	Medical Device	oic.d.medicaldevice
          	Pulse Oximeter	oic.d.pulseoximeter
          	Sleep Monitor	oic.d.sleepmonitor
          
          Personal Health
          	Activity Tracker	oic.d.activitytracker
          	Blood Pressure Monitor	oic.d.bloodpressuremonitor
          	Body Composition Analyser	oic.d.bodycompositionanalys er
          	Body Scale	oic.d.bodyscale
          	Body Thermometer	oic.d.bodythermometer
          	CGM	oic.d.cgm
          	Glucose Meter	oic.d.glucosemeter
          	Heart Rate Monitor	oic.d.heartratemonitor
          	Personal Health Device	oic.d.personalhealthdevice
          	Pulse Oximeter	oic.d.pulseoximeter
          	Sleep Monitor	oic.d.sleepmonitor
          
          Other		oic.d.unknown
          	Access Management Service	oic.d.ams
          	Credential Management Service	oic.d.cms
          	Device Ownership Transfer Service	oic.d.dots
          

          And a list with the 169 Resource Type definitions

          Friendly Name (informative)	Resource Type (rt)
          3D Printer	oic.r.printer.3d
          Acceleration Sensor	oic.r.sensor.acceleration
          Activity	oic.r.activity
          Activity Count	oic.r.sensor.activity.count
          Activity Tracker Atomic Measurement	oic.r.activitytracker-am
          Air Flow	oic.r.airflow
          Air Flow Control	oic.r.airflowcontrol
          Air Quality	oic.r.airquality
          Air Quality Collection	oic.r.airqualitycollection
          Alarm	oic.r.alarm
          Altimeter	oic.r.altimeter
          Atmospheric Pressure	oic.r.sensor.atmosphericpressure
          Audio Controls	oic.r.audio
          Auto Focus	oic.r.autofocus
          Automatic Document Feeder	oic.r.automaticdocumentfeeder
          Auto White Balance	oic.r.colour.autowhitebalance
          Battery	oic.r.energy.battery
          Battery Material	oic.r.batterymaterial
          Body Composition Analyser Atomic Measurement	oic.r.bodycompositionanalyser-am
          Binary switch	oic.r.switch.binary
          Blood Pressure	oic.r.blood.pressure
          Blood Pressure Monitor Atomic Measurement	oic.r.bloodpressuremonitor-am
          BMI	oic.r.bmi
          Body Fat	oic.r.body.fat
          Body Fat Free Mass	oic.r.body.ffm
          Body Location Temperature	oic.r.body.location.temperature
          Body Scale Atomic Measurement	oic.r.body.scale-am
          Body Soft Lean Mass	oic.r.body.slm
          Body Thermometer Atomic Measurement	oic.r.bodythermometer-am
          Body Water	oic.r.body.water
          Brewing	oic.r.brewing
          Brightness	oic.r.light.brightness
          Button Switch	oic.r.button
          Cadence	oic.r.cadence
          Calibrate for Continuous Glucose Meter (CGM)	oic.r.cgm.calibrate
          Calorific Value	oic.r.calorificvalue
          Carbon Dioxide Sensor	oic.r.sensor.carbondioxide
          Carbon Monoxide Sensor	oic.r.sensor.carbonmonoxide
          Circuit Breaker (IEC 61850)	oic.r.circuitbreaker
          Clock	oic.r.clock
          Colour Chroma	oic.r.colour.chroma
          Colour Hue Saturation	oic.r.colour.hs
          Colour RGB	oic.r.colour.rgb
          Colour Saturation	oic.r.colour.saturation
          Colour Space Coordinates	oic.r.colour.csc
          Colour Temperature	oic.r.colour.colourtemperature
          Consumable	oic.r.consumable
          Consumable Collection	oic.r.consumablecollection
          Contact Sensor	oic.r.sensor.contact
          Continuous Glucose Meter (CGM) Atomic Measurement	oic.r.cgm-am
          Conversion Factor	oic.r.conversionfactor
          Cycling Power	oic.r.cyclingpower
          Delay Defrost	oic.r.delaydefrost
          Demand Response Load Control (DRLC)	oic.r.energy.drlc
          Deodorization	oic.r.deodorization
          Device Settings - Accessibility	oic.r.settings.accessibility
          Device Settings - Broadcasting	oic.r.settings.broadcasting
          Device Settings - Picture	oic.r.settings.picture
          Device Settings - Sound	oic.r.settings.sound
          Device Settings - Support	oic.r.settings.support
          Device Settings - System	oic.r.settings.system
          Dimming	oic.r.light.dimming
          Door	oic.r.door
          Ecomode	oic.r.ecomode
          Electric Vehicle Connector	oic.r.vehicle.connector
          Electrical Energy	oic.r.energy.electrical
          Energy Consumption	oic.r.energy.consumption
          Energy Generation	oic.r.energy.generation
          Energy Overload/Circuit Breaker	oic.r.energy.overload
          Energy Usage	oic.r.energy.usage
          Gas Consumption	oic.r.gas.consumption
          Gas Usage	oic.r.gas.usage
          Fault Interrupter Switch	oic.r.switch.fault
          Foaming	oic.r.foaming
          Generic Sensor	oic.r.sensor
          Geolocation Sensor	oic.r.sensor.geolocation
          Glass Break Sensor	oic.r.sensor.glassbreak
          Glucose	oic.r.glucose
          Glucose Meter Complex Carbohydrates	oic.r.glucose.carb
          Glucose Meter Exercise	oic.r.glucose.exercise
          Glucose Meter HbA1c	oic.r.glucose.hba1c
          Glucose Meter Context Health	oic.r.glucose.health
          Glucose Meter Context Meal	oic.r.glucose.meal
          Glucose Meter Context Medication	oic.r.glucose.medication
          Glucose Meter Atomic Measurement	oic.r.glucosemeter-am
          Glucose Meter Context Sample Location	oic.r.glucose.samplelocation
          Glucose Meter Context Tester	oic.r.glucose.tester
          Grinder	oic.r.grinder
          HVAC Capacity	
          Oic.r.hvac.capacity	6.157
          Heart Rate	oic.r.heartrate
          Heart Rate Monitor Atomic Measurement Representation	oic.r.heartratemonitor-am
          Heart Rate Zone Sensor	oic.r.sensor.heart.zone
          Heating Zone	oic.r.heatingzone
          Heating Zone Collection	oic.r.heatingzonecollection
          Height	oic.r.height
          Humidity	oic.r.humidity
          IAS Zone Info	oic.r.iaszoneinfo
          IAS Zone Collection	oic.r.iaszone
          Icemaker	oic.r.icemaker
          Illuminance Sensor	oic.r.sensor.illuminance
          Impact Sensor	oic.r.impactsensor
          Inverter (IEC 61850)	oic.r.inverter
          KeyCard Switch	oic.r.keycardswitch
          Keypad Character	oic.r.keypadchar
          Liquid Level	oic.r.liquid.level
          Lock	oic.r.lock.status
          Lock Code	oic.r.lock.code
          Magnetic Field Direction	oic.r.sensor.magneticfielddirection
          Media	oic.r.media
          Media Audio	oic.r.media.audio
          Media Core	oic.r.media.core
          Media Image	oic.r.media.image
          Media Source	oic.r.mediasource
          Media Source List	oic.r.mediasourcelist
          Media Source Input	oic.r.media.input
          Media Source Output	oic.r.media.output
          Media Text	oic.r.media.text
          Media Video	oic.r.media.video
          Mode	oic.r.mode
          Movement	oic.r.movement.linear
          Motion Sensor	oic.r.sensor.motion
          Muscle Oxygen Saturation	oic.r.muscleoxygensaturation
          Night Mode	oic.r.nightmode
          Opaque Data	oic.r.opaquedata
          Open Level	oic.r.openlevel
          Operational State	oic.r.operational.state
          Optical RFID Station	oic.r.orfid.station
          Optical RFID Tag	oic.r.orfid.tag
          Pan Tilt Zoom Movement	oic.r.ptz
          Power Source	oic.r.powersource
          Presence Sensor	oic.r.sensor.presence
          Print Queue	oic.r.printer.queue
          Pulsatile Characteristic for Pulse Oximeter	oic.r.pulsatilecharacteristic
          Pulsatile Occurrence for Pulse Oximeter	oic.r.pulsatileoccurrence
          Pulse Oximeter Atomic Measurement Representation	oic.r.pulseoximeter-am
          Pulse Rate	oic.r.pulserate
          PV array system connection terminal (IEC 61850)	oic.r pvconnectionterminal
          Ramp Time	oic.r.light.ramptime
          Refrigeration	oic.r.refrigeration
          Restricted Switch	oic.r.switch.restricted
          Sampling Interface for Continuous Glucose Meter (CGM)	oic.r.cgm.samplinginterval
          Selectable Levels	oic.r.selectablelevels
          Sensor for Continuous Glucose Meter (CGM)	oic.r.cgm.sensor
          Sensor Properties	oic.r.sensor.props
          Signal Strength	oic.r.signalstrength
          Sleep	oic.r.sleep
          Sleep Monitor Atomic Measurement Batch Representation	oic.r.sleepmonitor-am
          Sleep Sensor	oic.r.sensor.sleep
          Smoke Sensor	oic.r.sensor.smoke
          Speech Synthesis	oic.r.speech.tts
          Speed	oic.r.speed
          SpO2 for Pulse Oximeter	oic.r.spo2
          Status for Continuous Glucose Meter (CGM)	oic.r.cgm.status
          Temperature	oic.r.temperature
          Three Axis Sensor	oic.r.sensor.threeaxis
          Threshold for Continuous Glucose Meter (CGM)	oic.r.cgm.threshold
          Time Period	oic.r.time.period
          Time Stamp	oic.r.time.stamp
          Torque	oic.r.torque
          Touch Sensor	oic.r.sensor.touch
          UV Radiation	oic.r.sensor.radiation.uv
          User ID	oic.r.userid
          User Info for Application Layer	oic.r.userinfo
          Value Conditional	oic.r.value.conditional
          Water Info	oic.r.waterinfo
          Water Sensor	oic.r.sensor.water
          Weight	oic.r.weight
          Window Covering	oic.r.windowcovering
          
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            da_Woody @kubi last edited by

            @kubi said in Devices, Alias, Assistenten + Visualisierungen + die Zukunft:

            Ich habe mal eine Frage zum Adapter Devices, wie kann ich selbst Aliase zusätzlich anlegen ?

            Alias anlegen

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            • Garfonso
              Garfonso Developer @Videonisse last edited by

              @Videonisse said in Devices, Alias, Assistenten + Visualisierungen + die Zukunft:

              Have I understood the proposed structure correctly that the Device top level will be called "Alias" and an alias then has a "Function", and below this, it will have one or more "Roles/Types" and these have different "States"?

              That is not how I understood it. It is more flexible and linked to the ioBroker way to do things. Currently all aliases have an ID that starts with alias.0. That probalby will stay that way.
              The proposed device templates are a thing of an object of type "device", i.e. it describes one physical / logical device. The devices in ioBroker usually have multiple states (which can be sensor readings or ways to control the device). Currently this is all very loose and very different for different device types / manufacturers. The idea of the device templates is to have, as an attribute of the device itself, a list of possible "functions" that such a device can have and with that create a mapping from function to existing states in ioBroker. So that an adapter that creates a visualisation or device for alexa / google home or similar can determine from the device object which states to use to control the device.

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                Videonisse @Garfonso last edited by Videonisse

                Isn't "Device templates" and (partly) "Alias" just a technical way how to implement the standardized metadata for a Device into ioBroker? I'm not a developer so I don't fully understand what's the best way forward on the technical level. But what I try to understand is the needs of the standardized data; What data and How will this be structured. I'm not sure what has been decided upon already and if the team still wants some feedback. What is the status?

                Currently several of mine Adapters has structured the ioBroker Objects into "Devices" and "Channels". Devices and channels can also be tagged with metadata "Roles" and "Functions". Also, the objects for "States" can/shall be tagged with those. So already, a lot of the technical structure is implemented.

                As I understand it, currently both Roles and Functions, however, lack details of which group of states that are mandatory as well as are optional to represent, for example, a Light. If this was standardized on all three levels; Device, Channel and State, it should be much easier to programmatically interact with other adapters for automation and visualisation.

                An important question must be how to standardize all of those possible Device types and the required data they must include as well as suggested additional Objects/States they may have and in which formats. To use a common Taxonomy and have agreed on a Semantic model should be very important. A lot of work is already invested in the ecosystems from Amazon Alexa, Apple HomeKit and Google Assistant and of course, it's a good idea to copy as much as possible from them. But as they are not complete, I think it would be even more important to use a more open and standardized data model to achieve Semantic interoperability. So far I can see, the most advanced and promising model for the Smart Home is today what OpenConnectivity Foundation can offer as part of their OCF Specification. Of course, if the Working Group Project Connected Home over IP would publish a Semantic specification it would perhaps be even greater, or? But if and when this will happen is hard to tell.

                Regarding Semantic model, here is some example from the OCF spec of Device Types and Resource Types respectively:

                2020-10-20 12_53_12-OCF Device Type overview - Example Required Resources.png
                Source: https://openconnectivityfoundation.github.io/devicemodels/docs/index.html

                2020-10-20 13_11_27-OCF_Resource_Type_Specification_v2.2.0.pdf - Example Light Dimming.png
                Source: OCF Spec v.2.2.0 Resource Types

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                • Garfonso
                  Garfonso Developer @Videonisse last edited by

                  @Videonisse said in Devices, Alias, Assistenten + Visualisierungen + die Zukunft:

                  As I understand it, currently both Roles and Functions, however, lack details of which group of states that are mandatory as well as are optional to represent, for example, a Light. If this was standardized on all three levels; Device, Channel and State, it should be much easier to programmatically interact with other adapters for automation and visualisation.

                  That is exactly the current situation, we have states in some structure of devices and channels associated with roles and they have types and flags of read/write. From all this the type-detector tries to derive a device type. This is quite brittle.
                  So I understood the proposal to add a description of the device to the device object meta data where a developer can define a device type for the device in question and which states of the device offer which functionality of the device type. So the device-object would describe which device type it is and how to control it / read data from it.

                  Of course those device templates need to be defined, collected and described somewhere. From what I understood, when there is talk about Alexa devices or Google home, then that is not exclusive but a "base set" of devices that should be somehow supported (because integration of those services currently is an important freature for iobroker). If there are definitions of device templates that are a superset of those, then it might be worth having a look.

                  From what I understood this still is a proposal and has not been decided upon (but I could be wrong there).

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                    Videonisse @Garfonso last edited by

                    (feel free to write in German, this is still the Deutsche Abteilung 🙂 )

                    I believe that the proposed Device Templates are similar to what OCF has defined with their Device Types and the mandatory, as well as optional, Resource Types. For example, the Device Type Light that has 1 mandatory and 5 optional Resource Types. Each of them has a machine-readable template available.

                    Would be interesting to hear if @apollon77, or the other core developers, thinks this is something interesting for ioBroker or a plan is already set?

                    Example

                    {
                         "devicename": "Light",
                         "devicetype": "oic.d.light",
                         "vertical":   "Smart Home",
                         "resources": [
                           {"resourcetypetitle": "Binary Switch", "resourcetypeid": "oic.r.switch.binary"}
                         ],
                         "recommendedresources": [
                           {"resourcetypetitle": "Colour Hue Saturation", "resourcetypeid": "oic.r.colour.hs"},
                           {"resourcetypetitle": "Colour Space Co-ordinates", "resourcetypeid": "oic.r.colour.csc"},
                           {"resourcetypetitle": "Colour Temperature", "resourcetypeid": "oic.r.colour.colourtemperature"},
                           {"resourcetypetitle": "Dimming", "resourcetypeid": "oic.r.light.dimming"},
                           {"resourcetypetitle": "Ramp Time", "resourcetypeid": "oic.r.light.ramptime"}
                         ]
                       }
                    

                    Source: https://github.com/openconnectivityfoundation/devicemodels/blob/master/oic.devicemap-content.json

                    Example oic.r.light.dimming:

                    {
                      "swagger": "2.0",
                      "info": {
                        "title": "Dimming",
                        "version": "2019-02-15",
                        "license": {
                          "name": "OCF Data Model License",
                          "url": "https://github.com/openconnectivityfoundation/core/blob/e28a9e0a92e17042ba3e83661e4c0fbce8bdc4ba/LICENSE.md",
                          "x-copyright": "copyright 2016-2017, 2019 Open Connectivity Foundation, Inc. All rights reserved."
                        },
                        "termsOfService": "https://openconnectivityfoundation.github.io/core/DISCLAIMER.md"
                      },
                      "schemes": ["http"],
                      "consumes": ["application/json"],
                      "produces": ["application/json"],
                      "paths": {
                        "/DimmingResURI" : {
                          "get": {
                            "description": "This Resource describes a dimming function.\nThe Property \"dimmingSetting\" is an integer showing the current dimming level.\nIf Property \"step\" is present then it represents the increment between dimmer values.\nWhen the Property \"range\" is omitted, then the range is [0,100].\nA value of 0 means total dimming; a value of 100 means no dimming.",
                            "parameters": [
                              {"$ref": "#/parameters/interface"}
                            ],
                            "responses": {
                                "200": {
                                  "description" : "",
                                  "x-example":
                                    {
                                      "rt": ["oic.r.light.dimming"],
                                      "if": ["oic.if.a", "oic.if.baseline"],
                                      "dimmingSetting": 30,
                                      "step": 5,
                                      "range": [0, 100]
                                    },
                                  "schema": { "$ref": "#/definitions/Dimming" }
                                }
                            }
                          },
                          "post": {
                            "description": "Sets the desired dimming level.\n",
                            "parameters": [
                              {"$ref": "#/parameters/interface"},
                              {
                                "name": "body",
                                "in": "body",
                                "required": true,
                                "schema": { "$ref": "#/definitions/Dimming" },
                                "x-example":
                                  {
                                    "dimmingSetting": 40
                                  }
                              }
                            ],
                            "responses": {
                                "200": {
                                  "description" : "Indicates that the dimming was changed.\nThe new dimming level is provided in the response.\n",
                                  "x-example":
                                    {
                                      "dimmingSetting": 40
                                    },
                                  "schema": { "$ref": "#/definitions/Dimming" }
                                },
                                "403": {
                                  "description": "This response is generated by the OCF Server when the client sends:\n  An update with an out of range property value for dimmingSetting.\nThe server responds with the current resource representation.\n",
                                  "x-example":
                                    {
                                      "dimmingSetting": 40
                                    },
                                  "schema": { "$ref": "#/definitions/Dimming" }
                                }
                            }
                          }
                        }
                      },
                      "parameters": {
                        "interface": {
                          "in": "query",
                          "name": "if",
                          "type": "string",
                          "enum": ["oic.if.a", "oic.if.baseline"]
                        }
                      },
                      "definitions": {
                        "Dimming" : {
                          "properties": {
                            "rt": {
                              "description": "The Resource Type.",
                              "items": {
                                "enum": ["oic.r.light.dimming"],
                                "maxLength": 64,
                                "type": "string"
                              },
                              "minItems": 1,
                              "uniqueItems": true,
                              "readOnly": true,
                              "type": "array"
                            },
                            "dimmingSetting": {
                              "description": "The current dimming value.",
                              "type": "integer"
                            },
                            "n": {
                                "$ref": "https://openconnectivityfoundation.github.io/core/schemas/oic.common.properties.core-schema.json#/definitions/n"
                            },
                            "id": {
                                "$ref": "https://openconnectivityfoundation.github.io/core/schemas/oic.common.properties.core-schema.json#/definitions/id"
                            },
                            "range": {
                                "$ref": "https://openconnectivityfoundation.github.io/IoTDataModels/schemas/oic.baseresource.properties-schema.json#/definitions/range_integer"
                            },
                            "step": {
                                "$ref": "https://openconnectivityfoundation.github.io/IoTDataModels/schemas/oic.baseresource.properties-schema.json#/definitions/step_integer"
                            },
                            "if": {
                              "description": "The OCF Interface set supported by this Resource.",
                              "items": {
                                "enum": [
                                  "oic.if.a",
                                  "oic.if.baseline"
                                ],
                                "type": "string"
                              },
                              "minItems": 2,
                              "uniqueItems": true,
                              "readOnly": true,
                              "type": "array"
                            }
                          },
                          "type": "object",
                          "required": ["dimmingSetting"]
                        }
                      }
                    }
                    

                    Source: https://openconnectivityfoundation.github.io/IoTDataModels/DimmingResURI.swagger.json

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                      bungee71 @apollon77 last edited by bungee71

                      @apollon77
                      Hallo, ich habe Anfang Dezember 2020 mit ioBroker begonnen und seit dem einiges getestet. Den Ansatz mit den Alias finde ich sehr gut, ähnlich einer Variablentabelle, allerdings habe ich noch einige Lücken im Verständnis der Philisophie des Adapters. 😕
                      Soweit ich es bisher Verstanden habe erstellt man unter "Geräte" ein Alias Gerät (Geräte denen ich vorher schon Raum und Funktion zugeordnet hatte erscheinen automatisch in der Liste - allerdings nicht als Alias - was hat es damit auf sich wie sieht der Use case aus ?) hierbei kann man sich einen vorgefertigen Typ aussuchen.
                      neuesGeraet.png
                      Wenn man das neue Alias Gerät editiert sieht man, dass es eine vorgefertigte Struktur hat - welche sicherlich von dem zuvor gewaehlten Typ kommt.
                      GeraetBearbeiten.png
                      Leider kann man in diesem Fenster nur die Quellen zu den einzelnen Tags/Members editieren, die Struktur selbst lässt sich hier nicht ändern genauso wie andere Parameter wie z.B. eine Konvertierung des Wertes.
                      Anpassungen der Struktur (Member hinzufügen) konnte ich nur unter Objekte durchführen und dort auch nur mit manuellen Anpassungen z.B. um diesen Fehler beim Anlagen eines neuen Datenpunkt unter dem Gerät zu lösen
                      FehlerNeuerAliasDatenpunkt.png
                      erst wenn man den alias Parameter einfügt wird der Datenpunkt erkannt.
                      Parameter.png

                      Legt man nun auf diese Weise mehrere Datenpunkte an funktionieren Sie in Objekte unter alias.0 auch wunderbar. Wenn man aber jetzt ein Geräte das entsprechende Gerät editiert sind die neuen Member zwar in dargestellt aber alle sind "scheinbar" mit der gleichen Quelle verbunden --> Darstellungsproblem ?
                      gleicheQuelle.png
                      wie gesagt die Datenpunkte funktionieren.

                      Ok jetzt zu meinem Problem bzw. Verbesserungsvorschlag.
                      Die Vorgegebenen Typen finde ich gut jedoch sehe ich hier den generischen Ansatz als problematisch. Z.B. passt der Typ Jalousie von der Struktur her nicht zu meinen HomePilot20 RademacherGeräten. So wie ich das bis jetzt verstanden habe werden diese Typen Entwicklerseitig zur Verfügung gestellt ? Was im Grunde sehr gut ist da so eine gewisse Standardisierung rein kommt.

                      1. Vorschlag:
                        Der Adapterhersteller z.B. hier Homepilot20 liefert den GeräteTyp mit - er weiss am besten wie dieser auszusehen hat.

                      2. Vorschlag:
                        Der User sollte seine eigenen Typen erstellen können evtl. in einem Editor. In dem Editor können auch die Systemseitig gelieferten Typen dargestellt und verwaltet werden. Ich denke da an ein Typ --> Instanz Konzept. Das Gerät arbeitet nur mit der Instanz somit haben ich die Möglichkeit zentral den Typ zu editieren (single point of change)

                      Die Verknüpfung der Quellen mit den einzelnen Member des Gerätes muss mit jedem neuen Gerät (für jeden Member) auch neu durchgeführt werden. Man kann es etwas schneller gestalten indem man das Gerät unter Objekte als JSON exportiert und nach Anpassung wieder importiert, ist aber alles nicht sehr effektiv.
                      Beispiel: Ich habe 10 Rollos vom gleichen Hersteller somit haben alle die selbe Struktur
                      Rollos.png
                      und ein möglicher Typ "Rademacher_Rollo" hat die Parameter des Gerät ("Position"; "Action"; etc ) schon vorverbunden da diese ja bekannt sind, Somit muss ich nach anlegen eines neuen Gerätes nur noch den richtigen Pfad auswählen. Pfad.png

                      1. Vorschlag: Zweistufige Projektierung
                        Stufe Eins:
                        Zuordnen eines GeräteTyp (oder User Defined Datatyp UDT) zu dem neu erstellten Alias Gerät.
                        Stufe Zwei:
                        Verschalten des Alias Gerät mit dem Pfad des realen Geräts.

                      Vorteil ist ich muss nur noch eine Verbindung herstellen und nicht jeden einzelnen Member einzeln verbinden. Diese spart sehr viel Zeit und ist weniger Fehleranfällig.

                      Ich hoffe ich habe es einigermaßen nachvollziehbar ausgedrückt sonst bitte einfach nachfragen. Gerne kann ich das auch in Github eintragen, möchte aber erst mal ein gemeinsames Verständnis und Wording finden.

                      Gruß Bungee

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                        Messiahs @bungee71 last edited by Messiahs

                        Einfach mal über den Tellerrand geschaut:
                        Habt Ihr mittlerweile eine Roadmap zu diesem Thema oder zumindest eine allgemeine Roadmap 2021 für uns ?

                        Gefühlt wurde in letzter Zeit viel am "Haus" gestrichen und auch das Dach mit einer Solaranlage ausgestattet ("Alexa Custom Skill") und sogar eine neue Dachterrasse geplant ("Text Kommandos für Alexa" ,... ) .
                        Aber gefühlt ist erstmal die Sanierung des Kellers notwendig, sonst bricht in den nächsten Jahren das Haus zusammen.

                        Neue Anforderungen/UserStorys bzgl. Alexa-Unterstützung machen zurzeit keinen Sinn (wg. ausstehendem Update auf V3-AlexaApi).
                        Selbst für simple Grundfunktionen fehlt anscheinend das Grundgerüst (Temperatur_Steuerung/_Sensor über Alexa-App, Rolladensteuerung, usw. ).

                        Das Basement bzgl. V3-AlexaApi sollte man schnellstens mit hoher Priorität angehen.

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                          apollon77 @Messiahs last edited by

                          @messiahs Hi, das Thema steht immer noch auf der Roadmap. Dein Vergleich mischt ein bissl ziemlich verschiedene Dinge. Der Custom SKill existiert seid über 2 Jahren quasi "ungeändert" und textCommands in Alexa2 ist ein Adapter Feature.

                          Aber ja, dieses Thema steht recht weit oben auf der Todo Liste ... so wie Zeit ist

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                            mlengen @apollon77 last edited by mlengen

                            @apollon77 Besteht den die Chance das dieses Jahr Zeit dafür ist?
                            Ohne Unterstützung der V3-Api fehlt einfach ein essenzieller Bestandteil bei Alexa.

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                              apollon77 @mlengen last edited by

                              @mlengen Ich hoffe ja ... Das Jahr ist ja noch Jung und der controller 3.2 dann auch bald fertig 🙂

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                                Videonisse last edited by

                                I added an Issue as a Feature Request for the Devices Adapter regarding enhancements in the GUI. It relates to this topic as well. I hope that the GUI for Devices, in the long run, will be as great as the rest of ioBroker. You guys are doing an amazing job with js 3.2.x and the maturity of the core features! 🙂

                                Are the suggestions useful?

                                https://github.com/ioBroker/ioBroker.devices/issues/55

                                Videonisse created this issue in ioBroker/ioBroker.devices

                                closed A more flexible GUI #55

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                                  mlengen last edited by mlengen

                                  gelöscht

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                                    mlengen last edited by

                                    Hallo,
                                    ich habe mal wieder ein Frage.
                                    Nachdem es hier ja in letzter Zeit so einige Fortschritte gab und man nun auch beim anlegen eines Devices sehen kann ob Alexa unterstützt wird habe ich das mal versucht und es klappt auch alles soweit.
                                    Nur in der Alexa App erscheint immer noch nicht z.B. bei einem Dimmer der Slider zum Einstellen der Helligkeit.
                                    Mache ich hier etwas Falsch oder wird aktuell die Alexa v3 API noch nicht unterstützt?

                                    Auf alle Fälle sieht das ganze jetzt schon deutlich besser aus, weiter so 👍

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                                      apollon77 @mlengen last edited by

                                      @mlengen sagte in Devices, Alias, Assistenten + Visualisierungen + die Zukunft:

                                      Mache ich hier etwas Falsch oder wird aktuell die Alexa v3 API noch nicht unterstützt?

                                      Ne dazu kamen wir noch nicht. Die neue Version des Devices Adapters ist eine vorarbeit dazu

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                                        ple last edited by

                                        Moin Moin zusammen.
                                        So nach 8 Jahren fange ich auch mal mit Alias an, die Sanierung ist fast fertig und das KNX geraffel läuft soweit.
                                        Nun sollte auch mal eine Vis her. Meine alte aus Material Design Widget sollte nun abgelöst werden.
                                        Also habe ich mal geschaut, was sich so getan hat in den letzten Jahren.
                                        Zwischenzeitlich habe ich mal Homeassistant ausprobiert, Vis und App sind Top, der Rest ist viel Aufwand.
                                        Gira X1 dümpelt hier auch noch rum, aber naja.
                                        Lovelace hat mich bisher komplett überzeugt, eigene Cards können einfach importiert werden und sieht schick aus. Entitäten können auch automatisch gefunden werden, und da komm ich nun zum Problem.

                                        Da ich all meine Datenpunkte, die ich brauche als Alias ausführen möchte, kann ich diese auch jetzt mit allen Daten füllen. Rule, Datentyp, Einheiten, Read, Write usw.
                                        Auch das Verrechnen des Alias ist ne geniale Sache.

                                        Ein kleiner Vorschlag, falls der überhaupt umsetzbar ist.
                                        In den Ordner Alias und Userdata,
                                        kann es für die "rule" eine fest vorgegeben Liste geben? Der Vorteil wäre dann, dass man für die Vis Adapter ein mapping machen kann und nicht gleich jeder sein eigenes Süppchen kocht. Somit würden die entitäten beim Lovelace auch autmatisch gemappt werden können, aktuell ist unklar, welche rule man da haben muss.
                                        Das man nicht alle Adapterentwickler dahinbekommt ist mir schon klar und das die Arbeit beim User ist finde ich auch in Ordnung.

                                        Oder ist mein Ansatz total über und der Post kann gelöscht werden 🙂

                                        Gruß und Danke

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                                          da_Woody @ple last edited by

                                          @ple sagte in Devices, Alias, Assistenten + Visualisierungen + die Zukunft:

                                          der Post kann gelöscht werden

                                          warum? du schreibst von vis, homeassistant, lovelace...

                                          kann es für die "rule" eine fest vorgegeben Liste geben?

                                          wenn ich dich nicht komplett falsch verstehe, JSON sollte sein, was du magst...

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                                            apollon77 @ple last edited by

                                            @ple ich denke du meinest role (Rolle) und nicht rule. Wenn du den devices Adapter nutzt zum anlegen der aliase dann erkennt lovelace auch die passenden Typen.

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