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    • Homoran
      Homoran Global Moderator Administrators @SuperElmi last edited by

      @SuperElmi sagte in Shelly 2.5 - Schalter detektieren?:

      Hat jemand eine Idee, wie ich das umzusetzen kann

      shuttercontrol macht genau das

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        SuperElmi @Homoran last edited by

        @Homoran Danke für den Hinweis.
        D.h. Shuttercontrol erkennt, wenn der Shelly geschaltet wird und es nicht die Automatik ist und schaltet dann die automatik ab, bis sie wieder aktiviert wird?

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        • paul53
          paul53 @SuperElmi last edited by

          @SuperElmi sagte:

          die Automatik deaktivieren, wenn der Schalter manuell bedient wird.

          Wie soll die Automatik wieder aktiviert werden ?

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          • mickym
            mickym Most Active last edited by

            Wenn die Automatik über einen Node Red Flow implementiert ist und du einen Datenpunkt bzw. Indikator für deine Anwesenheit hast. Dann sollte das doch kein Problem sein. Poste halt mal Deinen Flow wenn du magst

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            • da_Woody
              da_Woody @SuperElmi last edited by da_Woody

              @SuperElmi ok. dann mal anwesenheitserkennung? 😉

              oops, @mickym überlesen...

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              • Homoran
                Homoran Global Moderator Administrators @SuperElmi last edited by

                @SuperElmi sagte in Shelly 2.5 - Schalter detektieren?:

                und schaltet dann die automatik ab, bis sie wieder aktiviert wird?

                im Prinzip ja!
                Shuttercontrol aktiviert die Automatik wieder irgendwann.
                Ich weiß im Moment nur nicht ob das mit der abendlichen Verdunklung, oder mit der morgendlichen Öffnung der Rolladen passiert

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                  SuperElmi @Homoran last edited by

                  Danke für die rege Beteiligung! 👍
                  Meine Problemstellung ist weniger das aktivieren der Automatik, das kann man zeitlich machen, oder mit Sonnenaufgang, etc.
                  Ich hab bei den Objekten des Shelly-Adapters keines gefunden, das ein Betätigen das manuellen Schalters anzeigt. Im Prinzip müsste man das doch durch Vergleich verschiedener Zustände herausfinden können, oder? Z.B. durch Vergleich einer Soll- und einer Ist-Position...

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                  • harrym
                    harrym @SuperElmi last edited by

                    @SuperElmi sagte in Shelly 2.5 - Schalter detektieren?:

                    Ich hab bei den Objekten des Shelly-Adapters keines gefunden, das ein Betätigen das manuellen Schalters anzeigt.

                    dann gugg dir mal den Datenpunkt Input unter Relay an 😉

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                    • harrym
                      harrym last edited by harrym

                      @SuperElmi laut der API von Shelly (https://shelly-api-docs.shelly.cloud/#shelly-family-overview)

                      Bildschirmfoto vom 2020-08-28 17-02-01.png

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                      • mickym
                        mickym Most Active @SuperElmi last edited by mickym

                        @SuperElmi Nein nicht unter relay - aber unter input - ich nutze es zwar als schalter und nicht für rolläden und mit mqtt. Aber unter input siehst Du entweder unter 0 und 1 - das müsste bei Dir dann hoch oder runter sein - den aktuellen Status des Schalters (physisch) - der ist unabhängig von dem command - der Dir den Zustand des relays anzeigt. Also kannst Du auf Veränderungen beim input prüfen und siehst ob der Schalter manuell betätigt wurde oder nur ein Kommando den Schalter geschaltet hat.

                        OK hat @harrym alles schon geschrieben - dann ist es halt doppelt. Aber wichtiger wäre Dein Flow um Dir helfen zu können.

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                          SuperElmi @mickym last edited by SuperElmi

                          Danke euch allen, mit diesen Hinweise komme ich sicher weiter! 🤙

                          Der Vollständigkeit halber hier noch mein Flow (ohne die Automatik abzuschalten):

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                                  "from": "",
                                  "to": "",
                                  "reg": false,
                                  "x": 770,
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                                  "wires": [
                                      [
                                          "71ffc65f.c7663"
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                                  "type": "BooleanLogic",
                                  "z": "149b5426.0caf34",
                                  "name": "",
                                  "operation": "AND",
                                  "inputCount": "2",
                                  "topic": "result",
                                  "x": 1200,
                                  "y": 260,
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                                      [
                                          "46470648.b8697"
                                      ]
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                                  "id": "f2f06c79.c314e",
                                  "type": "change",
                                  "z": "149b5426.0caf34",
                                  "name": "set to false",
                                  "rules": [
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                                          "t": "set",
                                          "p": "payload",
                                          "pt": "msg",
                                          "to": "false",
                                          "tot": "bool"
                                      }
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                                  "action": "",
                                  "property": "",
                                  "from": "",
                                  "to": "",
                                  "reg": false,
                                  "x": 770,
                                  "y": 200,
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                                          "71ffc65f.c7663"
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                              {
                                  "id": "87fadea3.083448",
                                  "type": "change",
                                  "z": "149b5426.0caf34",
                                  "name": "set to false",
                                  "rules": [
                                      {
                                          "t": "set",
                                          "p": "payload",
                                          "pt": "msg",
                                          "to": "false",
                                          "tot": "bool"
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                                  "property": "",
                                  "from": "",
                                  "to": "",
                                  "reg": false,
                                  "x": 790,
                                  "y": 300,
                                  "wires": [
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                                          "784d93d5.33bfb4"
                                      ]
                                  ]
                              },
                              {
                                  "id": "249790e3.6dab9",
                                  "type": "change",
                                  "z": "149b5426.0caf34",
                                  "name": "set to false",
                                  "rules": [
                                      {
                                          "t": "set",
                                          "p": "payload",
                                          "pt": "msg",
                                          "to": "false",
                                          "tot": "bool"
                                      }
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                                  "action": "",
                                  "property": "",
                                  "from": "",
                                  "to": "",
                                  "reg": false,
                                  "x": 790,
                                  "y": 440,
                                  "wires": [
                                      [
                                          "784d93d5.33bfb4"
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                                  ]
                              },
                              {
                                  "id": "8c6cc358.c1ae2",
                                  "type": "comment",
                                  "z": "149b5426.0caf34",
                                  "name": "Automatik einschalten täglich bei Sonnenaufgang",
                                  "info": "",
                                  "x": 300,
                                  "y": 660,
                                  "wires": []
                              },
                              {
                                  "id": "c97591f4.be7838",
                                  "type": "position-config",
                                  "z": "",
                                  "name": "",
                                  "isValide": "true",
                                  "longitude": "0",
                                  "latitude": "0",
                                  "angleType": "deg",
                                  "timeZoneOffset": "99",
                                  "timeZoneDST": "0",
                                  "stateTimeFormat": "3",
                                  "stateDateFormat": "12"
                              }
                          ]
                          
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                            mickym Most Active @SuperElmi last edited by mickym

                            @SuperElmi Ich habe mir Deinen Flow gerade angeschaut. Da Du Deine Automatik eh über einen Datenpunkt steuerst, kannst Du ja zusätzlich zu Deiner AstroNode noch eine Logic davor bauen.

                            Du wirst ja wahrscheinlich Taster für die Rolladensteuerung haben - da wird der input nichts helfen, da der Taster ja immer in der gleichen Stellung verbleibt.

                            Aber Du hast in meinen Augen noch folgende Möglichkeiten die Schalterbetätigung zu ermitteln.

                            Entweder wertest Du longpush aus (0 oder 1) für langen Tastendruck oder nicht oder den input event.

                            {"event":"","event_cnt":0}

                            Der event ist "S" oder "L" je nach Länge des Tastendrucks und dahinter ist ein Zähler.

                            Im Prinzip kannst Du den Inhalt oder die Art der Tasterbetätigung ja ignorieren - da Du ja nur die Schalterbetätigung an sich brauchst, um die Automatik zu deaktivieren.

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                              SuperElmi @mickym last edited by SuperElmi

                              @mickym Ich hab das Ganze jetzt so gelöst, sollte funktionieren:

                              [
                                  {
                                      "id": "d30e5320.b8f5b8",
                                      "type": "time-inject",
                                      "z": "149b5426.0caf34",
                                      "name": "",
                                      "nameInt": "⏲ sunrise = true",
                                      "positionConfig": "c97591f4.be7838",
                                      "payload": "true",
                                      "payloadType": "bool",
                                      "payloadTimeFormat": 0,
                                      "payloadOffset": 0,
                                      "payloadOffsetType": "none",
                                      "payloadOffsetMultiplier": 60000,
                                      "topic": "",
                                      "injectTypeSelect": "time",
                                      "intervalCount": 1,
                                      "intervalCountType": "num",
                                      "intervalCountMultiplier": 60000,
                                      "time": "sunrise",
                                      "timeType": "pdsTime",
                                      "offset": 0,
                                      "offsetType": "none",
                                      "offsetMultiplier": 60000,
                                      "timeEnd": "",
                                      "timeEndType": "entered",
                                      "timeEndOffset": 0,
                                      "timeEndOffsetType": "none",
                                      "timeEndOffsetMultiplier": 60000,
                                      "timeDays": "*",
                                      "timeOnlyOddDays": false,
                                      "timeOnlyEvenDays": false,
                                      "timeMonths": "*",
                                      "timedatestart": "",
                                      "timedateend": "",
                                      "property": "",
                                      "propertyType": "none",
                                      "propertyCompare": "true",
                                      "propertyThreshold": "",
                                      "propertyThresholdType": "num",
                                      "timeAlt": "",
                                      "timeAltType": "entered",
                                      "timeAltDays": "*",
                                      "timeAltOnlyOddDays": false,
                                      "timeAltOnlyEvenDays": false,
                                      "timeAltMonths": "*",
                                      "timeAltOffset": 0,
                                      "timeAltOffsetType": "none",
                                      "timeAltOffsetMultiplier": 60000,
                                      "once": false,
                                      "onceDelay": 0.1,
                                      "addPayload1": "payload",
                                      "addPayload1Type": "msg",
                                      "addPayload1Value": "true",
                                      "addPayload1ValueType": "bool",
                                      "addPayload1Format": "0",
                                      "addPayload1Offset": 0,
                                      "addPayload1OffsetType": "none",
                                      "addPayload1OffsetMultiplier": 60000,
                                      "addPayload1Next": true,
                                      "addPayload1Days": "*",
                                      "addPayload2": "",
                                      "addPayload2Type": "none",
                                      "addPayload2Value": "",
                                      "addPayload2ValueType": "date",
                                      "addPayload2Format": "0",
                                      "addPayload2Offset": 0,
                                      "addPayload2OffsetType": "none",
                                      "addPayload2OffsetMultiplier": 60000,
                                      "addPayload2Next": true,
                                      "addPayload2Days": "*",
                                      "addPayload3": "",
                                      "addPayload3Type": "none",
                                      "addPayload3Value": "",
                                      "addPayload3ValueType": "date",
                                      "addPayload3Format": "0",
                                      "addPayload3Offset": 0,
                                      "addPayload3OffsetType": "none",
                                      "addPayload3OffsetMultiplier": 60000,
                                      "addPayload3Next": true,
                                      "addPayload3Days": "*",
                                      "recalcTime": 2,
                                      "x": 200,
                                      "y": 702,
                                      "wires": [
                                          [
                                              "a8e25d7b.096c9"
                                          ]
                                      ]
                                  },
                                  {
                                      "id": "a8e25d7b.096c9",
                                      "type": "ioBroker out",
                                      "z": "149b5426.0caf34",
                                      "name": "Jalousie_Auto",
                                      "topic": "0_userdata.0.Jalousie_Auto",
                                      "ack": "false",
                                      "autoCreate": "false",
                                      "stateName": "",
                                      "role": "",
                                      "payloadType": "",
                                      "readonly": "",
                                      "stateUnit": "",
                                      "stateMin": "",
                                      "stateMax": "",
                                      "x": 740,
                                      "y": 700,
                                      "wires": []
                                  },
                                  {
                                      "id": "8c6cc358.c1ae2",
                                      "type": "comment",
                                      "z": "149b5426.0caf34",
                                      "name": "Automatik einschalten täglich bei Sonnenaufgang",
                                      "info": "",
                                      "x": 300,
                                      "y": 660,
                                      "wires": []
                                  },
                                  {
                                      "id": "bd122212.63d968",
                                      "type": "trigger",
                                      "z": "149b5426.0caf34",
                                      "name": "",
                                      "op1": "false",
                                      "op2": "0",
                                      "op1type": "bool",
                                      "op2type": "str",
                                      "duration": "0",
                                      "extend": false,
                                      "units": "ms",
                                      "reset": "",
                                      "bytopic": "all",
                                      "topic": "topic",
                                      "outputs": 1,
                                      "x": 480,
                                      "y": 856,
                                      "wires": [
                                          [
                                              "a8e25d7b.096c9"
                                          ]
                                      ]
                                  },
                                  {
                                      "id": "123dcf3e.b406d9",
                                      "type": "ioBroker in",
                                      "z": "149b5426.0caf34",
                                      "name": "Input / Detach Relay 0",
                                      "topic": "shelly.0.SHSW-25#E098068D287A#1.Relay0.Input",
                                      "payloadType": "value",
                                      "onlyack": "",
                                      "func": "all",
                                      "gap": "",
                                      "fireOnStart": "false",
                                      "x": 200,
                                      "y": 816,
                                      "wires": [
                                          [
                                              "bd122212.63d968"
                                          ]
                                      ]
                                  },
                                  {
                                      "id": "a5e4ca86.6d10d8",
                                      "type": "ioBroker in",
                                      "z": "149b5426.0caf34",
                                      "name": "Input / Detach Relay 1",
                                      "topic": "shelly.0.SHSW-25#E098068D287A#1.Relay1.Input",
                                      "payloadType": "value",
                                      "onlyack": "",
                                      "func": "all",
                                      "gap": "",
                                      "fireOnStart": "false",
                                      "x": 200,
                                      "y": 876,
                                      "wires": [
                                          [
                                              "bd122212.63d968"
                                          ]
                                      ]
                                  },
                                  {
                                      "id": "2a35cade.2e905e",
                                      "type": "comment",
                                      "z": "149b5426.0caf34",
                                      "name": "Automatik ausschalten bei Schalterbetätigung",
                                      "info": "",
                                      "x": 280,
                                      "y": 780,
                                      "wires": []
                                  },
                                  {
                                      "id": "c97591f4.be7838",
                                      "type": "position-config",
                                      "z": "",
                                      "name": "",
                                      "isValide": "true",
                                      "longitude": "0",
                                      "latitude": "0",
                                      "angleType": "deg",
                                      "timeZoneOffset": "99",
                                      "timeZoneDST": "0",
                                      "stateTimeFormat": "3",
                                      "stateDateFormat": "12"
                                  }
                              ]
                              
                              

                              Ich werde über Erfahrungswerte berichten.
                              Danke euch allen!

                              Gruß
                              SuperElmi

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                              • mickym
                                mickym Most Active @SuperElmi last edited by

                                @SuperElmi Meines Erachtens gibt es dann kein Auslösen. Du hättest das einfacher mit einem Change-Node - der einfach false sendet auch lösen können - weil mehr wird die trigger node nie machen und er wird NIE zurückgesetzt - was ggf. dann nach dem ersten Mal nicht mehr funktioniert. Also ich hätte einfach mit einem Change-Node - false an Deinen Datenpunkt gesetzt.

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                                  SuperElmi @mickym last edited by

                                  @mickym Hm, hat eigentlich funktioniert, aber vielleicht hab ich nicht alle Fälle durchgetestet. Du meinst also eher so:

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                                      {
                                          "id": "d30e5320.b8f5b8",
                                          "type": "time-inject",
                                          "z": "149b5426.0caf34",
                                          "name": "",
                                          "nameInt": "⏲ sunrise = true",
                                          "positionConfig": "c97591f4.be7838",
                                          "payload": "true",
                                          "payloadType": "bool",
                                          "payloadTimeFormat": 0,
                                          "payloadOffset": 0,
                                          "payloadOffsetType": "none",
                                          "payloadOffsetMultiplier": 60000,
                                          "topic": "",
                                          "injectTypeSelect": "time",
                                          "intervalCount": 1,
                                          "intervalCountType": "num",
                                          "intervalCountMultiplier": 60000,
                                          "time": "sunrise",
                                          "timeType": "pdsTime",
                                          "offset": 0,
                                          "offsetType": "none",
                                          "offsetMultiplier": 60000,
                                          "timeEnd": "",
                                          "timeEndType": "entered",
                                          "timeEndOffset": 0,
                                          "timeEndOffsetType": "none",
                                          "timeEndOffsetMultiplier": 60000,
                                          "timeDays": "*",
                                          "timeOnlyOddDays": false,
                                          "timeOnlyEvenDays": false,
                                          "timeMonths": "*",
                                          "timedatestart": "",
                                          "timedateend": "",
                                          "property": "",
                                          "propertyType": "none",
                                          "propertyCompare": "true",
                                          "propertyThreshold": "",
                                          "propertyThresholdType": "num",
                                          "timeAlt": "",
                                          "timeAltType": "entered",
                                          "timeAltDays": "*",
                                          "timeAltOnlyOddDays": false,
                                          "timeAltOnlyEvenDays": false,
                                          "timeAltMonths": "*",
                                          "timeAltOffset": 0,
                                          "timeAltOffsetType": "none",
                                          "timeAltOffsetMultiplier": 60000,
                                          "once": false,
                                          "onceDelay": 0.1,
                                          "addPayload1": "payload",
                                          "addPayload1Type": "msg",
                                          "addPayload1Value": "true",
                                          "addPayload1ValueType": "bool",
                                          "addPayload1Format": "0",
                                          "addPayload1Offset": 0,
                                          "addPayload1OffsetType": "none",
                                          "addPayload1OffsetMultiplier": 60000,
                                          "addPayload1Next": true,
                                          "addPayload1Days": "*",
                                          "addPayload2": "",
                                          "addPayload2Type": "none",
                                          "addPayload2Value": "",
                                          "addPayload2ValueType": "date",
                                          "addPayload2Format": "0",
                                          "addPayload2Offset": 0,
                                          "addPayload2OffsetType": "none",
                                          "addPayload2OffsetMultiplier": 60000,
                                          "addPayload2Next": true,
                                          "addPayload2Days": "*",
                                          "addPayload3": "",
                                          "addPayload3Type": "none",
                                          "addPayload3Value": "",
                                          "addPayload3ValueType": "date",
                                          "addPayload3Format": "0",
                                          "addPayload3Offset": 0,
                                          "addPayload3OffsetType": "none",
                                          "addPayload3OffsetMultiplier": 60000,
                                          "addPayload3Next": true,
                                          "addPayload3Days": "*",
                                          "recalcTime": 2,
                                          "x": 200,
                                          "y": 702,
                                          "wires": [
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                                          "type": "ioBroker out",
                                          "z": "149b5426.0caf34",
                                          "name": "Jalousie_Auto",
                                          "topic": "0_userdata.0.Jalousie_Auto",
                                          "ack": "false",
                                          "autoCreate": "false",
                                          "stateName": "",
                                          "role": "",
                                          "payloadType": "",
                                          "readonly": "",
                                          "stateUnit": "",
                                          "stateMin": "",
                                          "stateMax": "",
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                                          "y": 700,
                                          "wires": []
                                      },
                                      {
                                          "id": "8c6cc358.c1ae2",
                                          "type": "comment",
                                          "z": "149b5426.0caf34",
                                          "name": "Automatik einschalten täglich bei Sonnenaufgang",
                                          "info": "",
                                          "x": 300,
                                          "y": 660,
                                          "wires": []
                                      },
                                      {
                                          "id": "123dcf3e.b406d9",
                                          "type": "ioBroker in",
                                          "z": "149b5426.0caf34",
                                          "name": "Input / Detach Relay 0",
                                          "topic": "shelly.0.SHSW-25#E098068D287A#1.Relay0.Input",
                                          "payloadType": "value",
                                          "onlyack": "",
                                          "func": "all",
                                          "gap": "",
                                          "fireOnStart": "false",
                                          "x": 200,
                                          "y": 820,
                                          "wires": [
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                                      {
                                          "id": "a5e4ca86.6d10d8",
                                          "type": "ioBroker in",
                                          "z": "149b5426.0caf34",
                                          "name": "Input / Detach Relay 1",
                                          "topic": "shelly.0.SHSW-25#E098068D287A#1.Relay1.Input",
                                          "payloadType": "value",
                                          "onlyack": "",
                                          "func": "all",
                                          "gap": "",
                                          "fireOnStart": "false",
                                          "x": 200,
                                          "y": 876,
                                          "wires": [
                                              [
                                                  "4eb9c187.c3fe18"
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                                      {
                                          "id": "2a35cade.2e905e",
                                          "type": "comment",
                                          "z": "149b5426.0caf34",
                                          "name": "Automatik ausschalten bei Schalterbetätigung",
                                          "info": "",
                                          "x": 280,
                                          "y": 780,
                                          "wires": []
                                      },
                                      {
                                          "id": "4eb9c187.c3fe18",
                                          "type": "change",
                                          "z": "149b5426.0caf34",
                                          "name": "set to false",
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                                                  "p": "payload",
                                                  "pt": "msg",
                                                  "to": "false",
                                                  "tot": "bool"
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                                          "action": "",
                                          "property": "",
                                          "from": "",
                                          "to": "",
                                          "reg": false,
                                          "x": 450,
                                          "y": 840,
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                                          "type": "position-config",
                                          "z": "",
                                          "name": "",
                                          "isValide": "true",
                                          "longitude": "0",
                                          "latitude": "0",
                                          "angleType": "deg",
                                          "timeZoneOffset": "99",
                                          "timeZoneDST": "0",
                                          "stateTimeFormat": "3",
                                          "stateDateFormat": "12"
                                      }
                                  ]
                                  

                                  Erscheint mir bei Betrachtung auch einfacher 🙂

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                                  • mickym
                                    mickym Most Active @SuperElmi last edited by

                                    @SuperElmi genau! 😉

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