Backup von InfluxDB scheitert

simatec

@legro mit welchen Mount funktioniert es denn nun? Steige bei deinen Post nicht mehr durch

Homoran

@legro sagte in Backup von InfluxDB scheitert:

Ich bin und bleibe ratlos zurück.

bevir wir jetzt wieder alle Varianten durchgehen, was kannst du hiervon

@homoran sagte in Backup von InfluxDB scheitert:

@thomas-braun wenn ich das richtig sehe hat er ein Verzeichnis /mnt/share auf dem ioBroker angelegt.
(wobei mir diese Benennung nicht geheuer ist)

Von dem mountpunkt scheint er auf die den Backups übergeordnete Struktur auf der Fritte zu kommen.

für mich gibt es jetzt zwei Möglichkeiten.

die weitere Struktur hst falsche Rechte

der Standard Mountpunkt /opt/iobroker/backups ist nicht leer

durch Fakten in Form von Logs, Konsolenoutputs oder Screenshots belegen oder entkräften?

legro

@simatec sagte in Backup von InfluxDB scheitert:

@legro mit welchen Mount funktioniert es denn nun? Steige bei deinen Post nicht mehr durch

Da ich bei dem Ganzen (auch) nicht mehr durchsteige, habe ich damit begonnen, sozusagen ganz klein anzufangen. Hier mein erster erfolgreicher Versuch ..

pi@raspiBullseye:~ $ sudo mount -t cifs -o username=ioBroker,password='<Passwort>' //192.168.4.1/SanDisk /mnt/share
pi@raspiBullseye:~ $ ls /mnt/share -a
.  ..  Bilder  Dokumente  ._.DS_Store  .DS_Store  FRITZ  Musik  SanDisk  Videos

Nehme ich den von BackItUp generierten Mount-Befehl, läuft das Ganze auf Fehler. Bei den vielen Optionen steige ich nicht mehr durch.

simatec

@legro Wie wäre es denn, wenn du mir deine Config hier postest ... Das ist jetzt mein dritter Versuch, deine Config zu erhalten.
Über die Pfeiltasten oben rechts runterladen und hier posten...

Homoran

@legro warum antwortest du nicht auf simple Fragen oder klare "Anweisungen"?

ohne diese Fakten kann dir kein Außenstehender helfen.

legro

@simatec sagte in Backup von InfluxDB scheitert:

Über die Pfeiltasten oben rechts runterladen und hier posten...

Wenn ich weiß, was genau zu tun ist, komme ich dem auch gerne nach.

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  "minimalEveryXDays": "1",
  "minimalDeleteAfter": 4,
  "minimalNameSuffix": "Gro",
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legro

@Homoran Danke

simatec

@legro also deine Pfade passen alle nicht. Weder für das iobroker Backup noch für die CCU

Da steht im jeden Pfad die IP am Anfang, was nicht korrekt ist. So kann Backitup nicht mounten

simatec

@legro

So sollte es sein…

 "cifsEnabled": true,
  "cifsMount": "192.168.4.1",
  "cifsUser": "ioBroker",
  "cifsPassword": "...passWord...",
  "cifsOwnDir": true,
  "cifsDomain": "",
  "cifsDir": "fritz.nas/SanDisk/SmartHomeBackup",
  "cifsCcuDir": "fritz.nas/SanDisk/SmartHomeBackup/piVCCU3",
  "cifsMinimalDir": "fritz.nas/SanDisk/SmartHomeBackup/ioBroker",
  "cifsDeleteOldBackup": false,
  "connectType": "cifs",
  "smbType": "vers=3.1.1",

Homoran

@simatec sagte in Backup von InfluxDB scheitert:

So sollte es sein…

das hatte ich auch erwartet.

Aber laut Screenshot hier
https://forum.iobroker.net/post/1266370
müsste das doch stimmen wenn @legro 7n der Zwischenzeit nichts geändert hat. und die Pfade korrekt zusammengebaut werden

simatec

@homoran die Config sagt was anderes… schaue mal drauf

Homoran

@simatec sagte in Backup von InfluxDB scheitert:

@homoran die Config sagt was anderes… schaue mal drauf

ich weiss!
das ist ja das irritierende

legro

@simatec sagte in Backup von InfluxDB scheitert:

@homoran die Config sagt was anderes… schaue mal drauf

Könntet ihr mich bitte an eurem Wissen teilhaben lassen? Ich bin noch immer ratlos.

Homoran

@legro was haben wir denn nicht gezeigt?

Die gespeicherte Konfiguration enthält andere (falsche) Pfade.
Anders als in dem Screenshot in dem von mir verlinkten Post von dir.

legro

@homoran sagte in Backup von InfluxDB scheitert:

@legro was haben wir denn nicht gezeigt?

Die gespeicherte Konfiguration enthält andere (falsche) Pfade.
Anders als in dem Screenshot in dem von mir verlinkten Post von dir.

Warum kein Klartext?

Ich vermute, dass ihr fritz.bas einerseits und 192.168.4.1 anderseits meint? Ich habe beides ausprobiert und das erfolglos.

Das sind meine aktuellen Einstellungen und müssten somit auch in der Config stehen.

Homoran

@legro sagte in Backup von InfluxDB scheitert:

Warum kein Klartext?

was fehlt denn um klar zu sein?

was bitte steht jetzt(!) in deiner Konfiguration?
(Screenshot bitte)

Homoran

@legro bitte ichts nachträglich ändern/hinzufügen!

Die in dem nachgelieferten Screenshot stehenden Einstellungen sind falsch!

die zuerst in diesem Post https://forum.iobroker.net/post/1266370 geposteten Einstellungen waren korrekt!

Warum hast du diese geändert ohne uns zu informieren.
Wir mussten die ganze Zeit davon ausgehen, dass du mit diesen Einstellungen arbeitest.

Die IP steht bereits da wo sie hingehört, unter "IP"

der Pfad zur Freigabe enthält bei der Fritzbox den Abschnitt fritz.nas.
der muss unten eingetragen werden, so wie @simatec es im modifizierten Konfigurations JSON gezeigt hat.

legro

@homoran

Nun ust neine Verwirrung komplett.

Habe ich das richtig verstanden: Ich soll fritz.nas anstelle der IP eintragen? Also so ..

Dann passiert dasselbe, was ich in einem vorangegangenen Beitrag schon aufgezeigt habe ..

21:53:34.274INFOguiBackup gestartet ...
[DEBUG] [mount] start with {"mountType":"CIFS","type":"storage","source":"cifs","mount":"192.168.4.1","debugging":true,"fileDir":"/opt/iobroker/iobroker-data/backitup","wakeOnLAN":false,"macAd":"20:DE:20:DE:20:DE","wolTime":"25","wolPort":"9","wolExtra":false,"smb":"vers=3.1.1","sudo":true,"cifsDomain":"","clientInodes":true,"cacheLoose":true,"deleteOldBackup":false,"ownDir":true,"dir":"fritz.nas/SanDisk/SmartHomeBackup/piVCCU3","dirMinimal":"fritz.nas/SanDisk/SmartHomeBackup/ioBroker","user":"ioBroker","pass":"****","expertMount":"sudo mount -t cifs -o username=<username>,password=\"<password>\",noserverino,cache=loose,rw,uid=iobroker,gid=iobroker,file_mode=0777,dir_mode=0777,vers=3.1.1 //192.168.0.1/NAS/BACKUP /opt/iobroker/backups","ignoreErrors":false}
21:53:44.420DEBUGmountcifs-mount command: "sudo mount -t cifs -o username=ioBroker,password=****,noserverino,cache=loose,rw,forceuid,uid=iobroker,forcegid,gid=iobroker,file_mode=0777,dir_mode=0777,vers=3.1.1 //192.168.4.1/fritz.nas/SanDisk/SmartHomeBackup/piVCCU3 /opt/iobroker/backups"
21:53:44.453DEBUGmountfirst mount attempt with smb option failed. try next mount attempt without smb option ...
21:53:44.460DEBUGmountcifs-mount command: "sudo mount -t cifs -o username=ioBroker,password=****,noserverino,cache=loose,rw,forceuid,uid=iobroker,forcegid,gid=iobroker,file_mode=0777,dir_mode=0777 //192.168.4.1/fritz.nas/SanDisk/SmartHomeBackup/piVCCU3 /opt/iobroker/backups"
21:53:44.523DEBUGmountError: Command failed: sudo mount -t cifs -o username=ioBroker,password=****,noserverino,cache=loose,rw,forceuid,uid=iobroker,forcegid,gid=iobroker,file_mode=0777,dir_mode=0777 //192.168.4.1/fritz.nas/SanDisk/SmartHomeBackup/piVCCU3 /opt/iobroker/backups
mount error(2): No such file or directory
Refer to the mount.cifs(8) manual page (e.g. man mount.cifs) and kernel log messages (dmesg)
21:53:46.345DEBUGccuCCU-Backup started ...
[DEBUG] [ccu] start with {"type":"creator","time":"04:30","cronjob":"00 36 01 */3 * *","ownCron":false,"debugging":true,"everyXDays":"4","deleteBackupAfter":0,"signedCertificates":true,"ignoreErrors":false,"cifs":{"enabled":true,"mountType":"CIFS","type":"storage","source":"cifs","mount":"//192.168.4.1","debugging":true,"fileDir":"/opt/iobroker/iobroker-data/backitup","wakeOnLAN":false,"macAd":"20:DE:20:DE:20:DE","wolTime":"25","wolPort":"9","wolExtra":false,"smb":"vers=3.1.1","sudo":true,"cifsDomain":"","clientInodes":true,"cacheLoose":true,"deleteOldBackup":false,"ownDir":true,"dir":"/fritz.nas/SanDisk/SmartHomeBackup/piVCCU3","dirMinimal":"fritz.nas/SanDisk/SmartHomeBackup/ioBroker","user":"ioBroker","pass":"****","expertMount":"sudo mount -t cifs -o username=<username>,password=\"<password>\",noserverino,cache=loose,rw,uid=iobroker,gid=iobroker,file_mode=0777,dir_mode=0777,vers=3.1.1 //192.168.0.1/NAS/BACKUP /opt/iobroker/backups","ignoreErrors":false,"context":{"fileNames":[],"errors":{"mount":{"code":32,"killed":false,"signal":null,"cmd":"sudo mount -t cifs -o username=ioBroker,password=\"!Creative17\",noserverino,cache=loose,rw,forceuid,uid=iobroker,forcegid,gid=iobroker,file_mode=0777,dir_mode=0777 //192.168.4.1/fritz.nas/SanDisk/SmartHomeBackup/piVCCU3 /opt/iobroker/backups"}},"done":[],"types":[]},"timestamp":1745265214353,"adapter":null,"ccuEvents":[]},"historyHTML":{"enabled":true,"type":"message","entriesNumber":15,"ignoreErrors":false,"systemLang":"de"},"historyJSON":{"enabled":true,"type":"message","entriesNumber":15,"ignoreErrors":false,"systemLang":"de"},"telegram":{"enabled":true,"notificationsType":"Telegram","type":"message","instance":"telegram.0","SilentNotice":false,"NoticeType":"longTelegramNotice","User":"allTelegramUsers","onlyError":false,"telegramWaiting":0,"hostName":"Gro","ignoreErrors":false,"systemLang":"de"},"email":{"enabled":true,"notificationsType":"Telegram","type":"message","instance":"","NoticeType":"longEmailNotice","emailReceiver":"xxx@xxx.com","emailSender":"xxx@xxx.com","onlyError":false,"emailWaiting":0,"hostName":"Gro","ignoreErrors":false,"systemLang":"de"},"pushover":{"enabled":true,"notificationsType":"Telegram","type":"message","instance":"pushover.0","SilentNotice":false,"NoticeType":"longPushoverNotice","deviceID":"","onlyError":false,"pushoverWaiting":0,"hostName":"Gro","ignoreErrors":false,"systemLang":"de"},"whatsapp":{"enabled":true,"notificationsType":"Telegram","type":"message","instance":"","NoticeType":"longWhatsappNotice","onlyError":false,"whatsappWaiting":0,"hostName":"Gro","ignoreErrors":false,"systemLang":"de"},"gotify":{"enabled":true,"notificationsType":"Telegram","type":"message","instance":"","NoticeType":"longGotifyNotice","onlyError":false,"gotifyWaiting":0,"hostName":"Gro","ignoreErrors":false,"systemLang":"de"},"signal":{"enabled":true,"notificationsType":"Telegram","type":"message","instance":"","NoticeType":"longSignalNotice","onlyError":false,"signalWaiting":0,"hostName":"Gro","ignoreErrors":false,"systemLang":"de"},"matrix":{"enabled":true,"notificationsType":"Telegram","type":"message","instance":"","NoticeType":"longMatrixNotice","onlyError":false,"matrixWaiting":0,"hostName":"Gro","ignoreErrors":false,"systemLang":"de"},"discord":{"enabled":true,"notificationsType":"Telegram","type":"message","instance":"","NoticeType":"longDiscordNotice","target":"","onlyError":false,"discordWaiting":0,"hostName":"Gro","ignoreErrors":false,"systemLang":"de"},"notification":{"type":"message","ignoreErrors":false,"bashDir":"/opt/iobroker/iobroker-data/backitup","entriesNumber":15,"systemLang":"de"},"host":"192.168.4.91","user":"ioBroker","usehttps":true,"pass":"****","ccuEvents":[],"ccuMulti":false,"backupDir":"/opt/iobroker/backups","timestamp":1745265214353}
21:53:47.620DEBUGcifsdone
[DEBUG] [cifs] start with {"mountType":"CIFS","type":"storage","source":"cifs","mount":"//192.168.4.1","debugging":true,"fileDir":"/opt/iobroker/iobroker-data/backitup","wakeOnLAN":false,"macAd":"20:DE:20:DE:20:DE","wolTime":"25","wolPort":"9","wolExtra":false,"smb":"vers=3.1.1","sudo":true,"cifsDomain":"","clientInodes":true,"cacheLoose":true,"deleteOldBackup":false,"ownDir":true,"dir":"/fritz.nas/SanDisk/SmartHomeBackup/piVCCU3","dirMinimal":"fritz.nas/SanDisk/SmartHomeBackup/ioBroker","user":"ioBroker","pass":"****","expertMount":"sudo mount -t cifs -o username=<username>,password=\"<password>\",noserverino,cache=loose,rw,uid=iobroker,gid=iobroker,file_mode=0777,dir_mode=0777,vers=3.1.1 //192.168.0.1/NAS/BACKUP /opt/iobroker/backups","ignoreErrors":false,"backupDir":"/opt/iobroker/backups","timestamp":1745265214353,"ccuEvents":[],"deleteBackupAfter":0}
21:53:48.314DEBUGcleandone
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simatec

@legro starte den PI und die Fritzbox mal komplett neu. Den PI aber bitte sauber runterfahren bzw. neustarten

sudo reboot now

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@legro Des Weiteren bitte prüfen, ob die korrekten Passwörter eingetragen sind. Ändere zur Not die Passwörter zum testen auf einfache kurze Passwörter ohne irgendwelche Sonderzeichen

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